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Printing film without negative...!

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I have posted this in 8mmforum, who needs this such machine more than you are here...anyway....amazing stuff

.....Cineator-Five...!

http://cinevation.net/portfolio/cinevat ... C2%AEfive/

The page says:
With the Cinevator®five you can take your digital intermediate and go directly to positive print film including both digital and analogue sound and subtitles – in real time. There is no shorter way to film. If you need only one copy or less than say a hundred copies of a feature film, – you do not even need to make a negative intermediate.


This is made in Norway as it was said by Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinevator
Cinevator is a series of real time film recorder/printers produced by the Norwegian company Cinevation. Cinevation AS is based in Drammen, Norway.
So if you need certain sequence missing from your print (per-packed film) go to Cinevator to be made by order using DVD as the source.

I don't know the cost but you can ask.

To date it can only make on 35mm and 16mm positive prints.

What do you think?
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I'd say it's a good idea. I can't say anything beyond that without having worked with it except that it doesn't seem to do 16mm either. I wouldn't be interested in a Super-8 printer, BTW, but 16mm would be great.
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Mattias, who used to frequent this forum, had his feature digital movie printed on that system. I asked him about it privately and he was quite enthusiastic. He said it looked just terrific and, if anyone here knows Mattias, then you know he's pretty picky about quality.

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Know the approximate cost in USD? This would be good for archiving digital films to 35mm.
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David,

In cinematography forum a company in Egypt offers Euro 4000 for a 35mm full feature.

http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=44488
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Am looking at buying the equipment not the service. Cost?
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This is another system that can record digital files to film. Prices are reasonable.

http://www.lasergraphics.com/us/pages/products.htm
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David,

Reading through the website. I think lasergraphic works the opposite. It creates digital file by scanning film.

While Cineator-five is creating film (35mm) from digital file.

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winbert wrote:David,

Reading through the website. I think lasergraphic works the opposite. It creates digital file by scanning film.

While Cineator-five is creating film (35mm) from digital file.

Cheers,
Actually you only read part of their website. Their 'Producer' series is a film recorder - ie digital to 35mm film. However unlike the cinevator, The Producer is only designed to record to intermediate film (with models 3 and 4 also recording to separation film). The novelty of the cinevator is that it records directly to colour print film. And further, it can do a recording of the sound track at the same time. Truly amazing.
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I called and spoke to the Cinevator people some time back and, from what gathered, this is basically a very clever, real time frame by frame kinescope process that uses a high end HD video projector to project directly onto motion picture film. If you look at the picture of the unit, you can see the shape of the projector in the profile of the Cinevator. So the resolution is about the same as watching the best HD projector but with the brightness of standard 35mm projection. Never seen the results but I understand it's quite good.

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Back in 2005/2006 when I did my first feature that went to 35mm we looked at two systems. One system which sounds a lot like Cinevator but escapes my mind right now was not that great. There seemed to be registration issues and the tests we had printed just didn't compare with the ArriLaser.

I have since had 4 more projects out from DI to 35mm all on the ArriLaser and all have been great. With one small exception of some odd artifact in a lower corner which the lab was able to correct.

Get some tests printed. If they want your business they should be able to roll off a 30-60 second test for you to watch. Compare side by side with the other guys printer. This isn't exactly new tech any more and one should be able to find nice results off of the equipment that is out there.

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The Cinevation machinery seems to do fine businesswise anyway. As I reported on this forum in 2004 this company is located in my hometown in Norway and moved to a distance of 100m from my previous company facilities.
Anywayhow, here is a link to their latest newsletter etc:
us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=99363dba1d031f21253935f43&id=3ec71bc167&e=7b43cd6f9b
Seem to be an option to pairi the print machines with an instant 100 feet per minute film processing machine.

Shoot.....
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I have a question on this,the cinevator 5 can accept a range of positive/negative and intermediate film stock.But do you know if it can take;

Kodak 5302 35mm x 100' Fine Grain Black & White Release Positive Neg Film Roll.....
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We've talked about these guys before too but definitely worth looking into if you're interested in film-outs. They are based in Maryland, USA near Washington, DC.

Their system is about printing a negative so you can make as many traditional prints as you want from that negative. They can also do 16mm optical sound which I don't know of anyone else doing it for anywhere near this price...

16mm: $110/minute (silent)
16mm: $150/minute (sound)

http://www.videofilmsolutions.com/digit ... --printing
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