reflecta super 8 scanner

[jpolzfuss]

https://reflecta.de/de/products/detail/ ... tlich.html

[chrisgavin]

Looks really interesting!
Great find.

There's an English version of the specs. here...
https://reflecta.de/uploads/files/20140 ... glisch.pdf

1920x1080 makes this really interesting. It looks like it'll take around 45 mins to scan 50 feet of film which will be fine for home users I would think.
I'm not so keen that the software makes a 190MB avi file/50 feet, that suggests quite a lot of compression.
Hopefully there might be an option to output uncompressed or only slightly compressed frames too.

But overall, if it's good, it's not such a crazy price.

Hopefully we'll hear more about this soon, 'ab Februar 2014 erhältlich' : )

[MovieStuff]

I'm not sure this thing even really exists. The history on this is that, a few years ago, Hammacher Schlemmer came to me wanting to put our scanner in their catalog. The only problem was they have a lifetime, no questions asked, unconditional money back policy. So someone could effectively buy our unit from them, use it for years, then return it for a full refund. That's insane and, after negotiating for the better part of two years, we could never come to an agreement for obvious reasons. Within a month or so of the deal falling apart, this thing appeared in their line up. It was originally listed as dual 8 but now only S8. It also claims to transfer audio, even though there is obviously no audio head visible, and will ostensibly use any OS on any PC or Mac since the earliest days of XP, which seems overly optimistic, knowing how finicky camera drivers are on different systems. The availability date keeps getting pushed back over and over, as well. But, who knows?

[marc]

I'm not sure this thing even really exists. The history on this is that, a few years ago, Hammacher Schlemmer came to me wanting to put our scanner in their catalog. The only problem was they have a lifetime, no questions asked, unconditional money back policy. So someone could effectively buy our unit from them, use it for years, then return it for a full refund. That's insane and, after negotiating for the better part of two years, we could never come to an agreement for obvious reasons. Within a month or so of the deal falling apart, this thing appeared in their line up. It was originally listed as dual 8 but now only S8. It also claims to transfer audio, even though there is obviously no audio head visible, and will ostensibly use any OS on any PC or Mac since the earliest days of XP, which seems overly optimistic, knowing how finicky camera drivers are on different systems. The availability date keeps getting pushed back over and over, as well. But, who knows?

Well hell, with a lifetime full money back guarantee what is there to lose!

[MovieStuff]

Well hell, with a lifetime full money back guarantee what is there to loose!

That's true but it's nothing anyone here should laugh at. Think about it: A unit comes out that basically costs the consumer NOTHING because they can always return it when they're finished transferring all their home movies. Quality of the transfer? Most people won't care that much if it's free. This is the kind of thing that could absolutely cripple the development of better quality transfer units for people to use in business. I've tried calling Hammacher Schlemmer to ask technical questions about the unit but they don't know anything about how it operates and offer no sample footage or test of any kind. So, again, I dunno if this thing is even real.

Roger

[retroman]

hi guys,

forget about the dream of a lifetime happiness

the consumer can send this scanner back to the company in 14 days
this is what the european right is.
you do not need to write anything, just pack all in the original karton and send it fee back to the seller

thats all

but not longer than 14 days ( two weeks )

[marc]

My typo has posthumously been corrected! :oops:

[aj]

They are taking orders for these.
Reflecta is a well known brand in Germany and they are certainly not crazy enough to offer goods which they have no intent to deliver.

Of more concern to some should be that most of their scangear comes from OEM sources.
Should this new machine also be an OEM product than you can certainly expect these so show up in catalogs of other OEM-supplied retailers around the world.
The price will then rapidly drive down. It is then anyone's guess... Euro 1499, 1199, 990, 799, 599, 499 including some 20% sales tax that is.

With billions of meters of film in the cupboards of the world I always wondered why there isn't some OEM manufacturer to fill this market with an affordable scanner. Like the simple ION slide scan things. Although ciné requires a bit more doings. Possibly now the time has come.

BTW The only thing is that it seems terribly slow in frame by frame mode.
And how do they expect the users to get the sound from the film?

Since the software is from Cyberview we can safely assume that it comes from the manufacturer of the Primescan aparati

[MovieStuff]

They are taking orders for these.
Reflecta is a well known brand in Germany and they are certainly not crazy enough to offer goods which they have no intent to deliver.

Of more concern to some should be that most of their scangear comes from OEM sources.
Should this new machine also be an OEM product than you can certainly expect these so show up in catalogs of other OEM-supplied retailers around the world.

Well, as I say, it first showed up here:

http://www.hammacher.com/Product/Defaul ... n&catid=98

This seems to change almost weekly. At Christmas, Hammacher was claiming that they were offering this scanner exclusively. In fact, that was another of the stumbling blocks with the deal as they wanted to be the only people selling our scanner. We wouldn't have been allowed to sell it, ourselves! Now I see the exclusivity claim has been dropped. Anyway, looks like its based on a reboot of a B&H projector design. Obviously it's not a B&H but the design is certainly similar.

Roger

[Tscan]

where each frame is illuminated by a white LED and captured at 6840 x 6840 dpi resolution by a 14 MP linear array color CMOS sensor

What would this resolution translate to in video terms? 4K is something like 8.3 megapixels.

[Andreas Wideroe]

I also really don't get it. It says linear CMOS colour camera. This should be a linescan camera, but normally they don't use the term MP on linescan cameras. Instead they use the number of horizontal lines.

When that's said, if it is a linescan camera and usb 2.0 interface it could be something like these:

http://www.sukhamburg.com/products/Line ... rface.html (allthough these use ccds rather than cmos sensors)

It is obviously 8 bit per channel, thus the 24bit colour depth they advertise.

[aj]

BTW The only thing is that it seems terribly slow in frame by frame mode.

Seems the specs aren't agreed upon.
The American Hammacher scanner seems to be much faster.
The Reflecta ist hopefully for them the same as their listed speed is near unworkable.

[Will2]

http://www.hammacher.com/Product/Defaul ... n&catid=98

6840 x 6840 dpi translates into what... about 1440 pixels wide on a Super 8 frame? Once again, proof is in the pudding. Would like to see some results. Doubt it would touch Roger's system's ease of use however.

[Tscan]

AJ said

With billions of meters of film in the cupboards of the world I always wondered why there isn't some OEM manufacturer to fill this market with an affordable scanner. Like the simple ION slide scan things. Although ciné requires a bit more doings. Possibly now the time has come.

That's exactly what i've been thinking for years. With digital technology evolving so fast in all areas, there has been a wall up where film to digital is concerned. With Moviestuff, Tobin, this thing, and whatever Blackmagic may come up with? Anyway I think that where digital technology, software, and PC computing power are at these days, what's left to justify a $100K price tag on a decent scanner?

[retroman]

Hi,

I just contacted the company. The delivery will be anywhere between beginning and the end of february here in europe.
The machine needs 20 hours for one 400 feet reel !!!!
it takes 2.5 second for every frame
compare this to Rogers machine with 4 hours for a 400 feet reel

For the scanning you need 3 GB for a 50 feet reel, that would 50 GB per hour, but after scanning the software converts 3 GB to a 180 MB file for 50 feet

that is worse less than MPEG2 and only 3,2 GB per hour

There is no way to work with the single frames, they are going to be erased after converting to the videofile !!!

So this machine is really for those guys who transfered in past with the crunchy Elmo TRVs and want now cheap and dirty HD

So there is always the better choice to take the retro8

I think the clients for those type of scanners are the same that buy a dia scanner for 50 bugs