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Does anyone know what the plug is that goes into the top of the Leicina Special? It's used to connect the ST-1 and the cute sten-gun style handgrip. I'm loath to cannibalise the parts I have but would like to plug in direct to the camera. Is it generic or Leica specific? Does it have name?
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Best to manufacturer one yourself. Use a strip of PCB board. Use fitting solderpins.
Drill the holes on the right places to align with the socket.

Or easier get a fitting DIN socket connector and plug the supplied ST-1 cable into that...
Complete ST-1 show up now and then.

To operate the camera you must switch on the lightmeter through one lead and then fire the shutter through another.
Also the camera can be in T mode. Which means one pulse to open and another pulse to close.
Nice for long exposure. You can access the lightmeter through the the small connector on the right side near the front.

Please mind there are faulty pin-assignment schemes around (from Leica themselves!)
where the image is mirrored and the numbering is not correct.
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Simon Lucas wrote:Does anyone know what the plug is that goes into the top of the Leicina Special?
Electronic Control Unit for the LEICINA : http://cjoint.com/13jn/CFjs3nAl4Vo_st1.pdf
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Simon Lucas wrote:Does anyone know what the plug is that goes into the top of the Leicina Special? It's used to connect the ST-1 and the cute sten-gun style handgrip. I'm loath to cannibalise the parts I have but would like to plug in direct to the camera. Is it generic or Leica specific? Does it have name?
In essence. This angular connector is not know by any electronics supplier. I spent enough time on it and it doesn't exist any longer. I suppose. Should you find a supplier. Please let us know :)

Maybe somebody can 3D print the base of it? :) And some sort of housing to cover the solder pins.

I am not sure why it would connect to the stengun handgrip. It goes to the ST-1 or to other gear which used to exist in research-laboratories where Specials were used in their times of glory. A I understand the Special had an edge over 16mm as the super-8 format needed less light to expose the smaller frame correctly. Although that would apply to all super-8 :) Which were enabled to attach to microscopes.
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joelpierre wrote:
Simon Lucas wrote:Does anyone know what the plug is that goes into the top of the Leicina Special?
Electronic Control Unit for the LEICINA : http://cjoint.com/13jn/CFjs3nAl4Vo_st1.pdf
Thank-you. I have the ST-1 too. But I couldn't see any reference to the plug type in the manual.
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Simon Lucas wrote:Does anyone know what the plug is that goes into the top of the Leicina Special? It's used to connect the ST-1 and the cute sten-gun style handgrip. I'm loath to cannibalise the parts I have but would like to plug in direct to the camera. Is it generic or Leica specific? Does it have name?
In essence. This angular connector is not know by any electronics supplier. I spent enough time on it and it doesn't exist any longer. I suppose. Should you find a supplier. Please let us know :)

Maybe somebody can 3D print the base of it? :) And some sort of housing to cover the solder pins.

I am not sure why it would connect to the stengun handgrip. It goes to the ST-1 or to other gear which used to exist in research-laboratories where Specials were used in their times of glory. A I understand the Special had an edge over 16mm as the super-8 format needed less light to expose the smaller frame correctly. Although that would apply to all super-8 :) Which were enabled to attach to microscopes.
AJ, thank-you for your advice. I was beginning to think the same way. I thought I could mold one out of resin, but PCB board or 3D printing are a good ideas to explore.

With regards the optional stengun handgrip, it has a lead that connects to the camera body the same way as the ST-1 control unit does and with the same plug end.

If I ever find one, I'll let you know.
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aj wrote:Best to manufacturer one yourself. Use a strip of PCB board. Use fitting solderpins.
Drill the holes on the right places to align with the socket.

Or easier get a fitting DIN socket connector and plug the supplied ST-1 cable into that...
Complete ST-1 show up now and then.

To operate the camera you must switch on the lightmeter through one lead and then fire the shutter through another.
Also the camera can be in T mode. Which means one pulse to open and another pulse to close.
Nice for long exposure. You can access the lightmeter through the the small connector on the right side near the front.

Please mind there are faulty pin-assignment schemes around (from Leica themselves!)
where the image is mirrored and the numbering is not correct.
AJ, I forgot to respond to some points in this post:

Or easier get a fitting DIN socket connector and plug the supplied ST-1 cable into that...

Of course! A DIN socket to conjoin with the existing lead is the easiest and I will probably pursue that route through prototyping. Good thinking :)

To operate the camera you must switch on the lightmeter through one lead and then fire the shutter through another.

I always shoot in full manual mode after getting the exposure with the camera's meter and a 18% grey card. I presume I don't need to attend to the pre-metering switch when I work like that?

You can access the lightmeter through the the small connector on the right side near the front.'

I'm not clear what can be done with that function.

where the image is mirrored and the numbering is not correct

I've seen some diagrams that are looking into the plug and not the socket, so I have adjusted for that and found the correct pins. Thank-you

Overall, the Special seems to be a very interesting and well-made tool. I knew right away, when he marched into my house one spring morning, that he was a handsome, inspiring and poetic machine. I'm really looking forward to working with him. ;)
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The lightmeter output sends an up/down signal which can control a lightsource. Like the one for a microscope.
Maybe your Arduino can read it to determine, if and how long to expose. Just a wild idea.
I suppose you cannot adjust the streetlights when you are bit short :)

Mind the horse-shoe arrangement of the pins in the DIN connector.
It isn't the easiest one to get either.
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. undone
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Simon Lucas wrote:
aj wrote:Best to manufacturer one yourself. Use a strip of PCB board. Use fitting solderpins.
Drill the holes on the right places to align with the socket.

Or easier get a fitting DIN socket connector and plug the supplied ST-1 cable into that...
Complete ST-1 show up now and then.

To operate the camera you must switch on the lightmeter through one lead and then fire the shutter through another.
Also the camera can be in T mode. Which means one pulse to open and another pulse to close.
Nice for long exposure. You can access the lightmeter through the the small connector on the right side near the front.

Please mind there are faulty pin-assignment schemes around (from Leica themselves!)
where the image is mirrored and the numbering is not correct.
AJ, I forgot to respond to some points in this post:

Or easier get a fitting DIN socket connector and plug the supplied ST-1 cable into that...

Of course! A DIN socket to conjoin with the existing lead is the easiest and I will probably pursue that route through prototyping. Good thinking :)

To operate the camera you must switch on the lightmeter through one lead and then fire the shutter through another.

I always shoot in full manual mode after getting the exposure with the camera's meter and a 18% grey card. I presume I don't need to attend to the pre-metering switch when I work like that?

You can access the lightmeter through the the small connector on the right side near the front.'

I'm not clear what can be done with that function.

where the image is mirrored and the numbering is not correct

I've seen some diagrams that are looking into the plug and not the socket, so I have adjusted for that and found the correct pins. Thank-you

Overall, the Special seems to be a very interesting and well-made tool. I knew right away, when he marched into my house one spring morning, that he was a handsome, inspiring and poetic machine. I'm really looking forward to working with him. ;)
Hi Simon ,
The Leicina Special " I too find a very special camera " has now become my fave super 8 too use , mind you still had too pay abit to get len's put right ,

Only other thing is that she eat's them's AA batterys ,
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nikonr10 wrote:
Hi Simon ,
The Leicina Special " I too find a very special camera " has now become my fave super 8 too use , mind you still had too pay abit to get len's put right ,

Only other thing is that she eat's them's AA batterys ,
nikonr10.

I guess I'm lucky as the Optivaron it came with seems solid. I've also picked up a well priced Cinegon which had a loose front section but has now been fixed by the shop who sold it me.

My solution to the batteries is 3 x 4 packs of the Sanyo rechargeable Eneloops.

According to the ST-1 manual, a DC power supply could be built connecting to DIN socket two.
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Only other thing is that she eat's them's AA batterys ,
Switch the light meter off before you store it.
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