Canon 1014XL-S modified for 1000ft loads!!!
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Canon 1014XL-S modified for 1000ft loads!!!
Canon 1014XL-S modified for 1000ft loads!!!
You heard right! One thousand feet of super8 (DS8) in one shot.
At least this is what I understand this filmmaker is trying to accomplish from this Swiss website (in German):
http://www.swiss-comp.ch/
Check it out!
Cheers,
Jean-Louis
You heard right! One thousand feet of super8 (DS8) in one shot.
At least this is what I understand this filmmaker is trying to accomplish from this Swiss website (in German):
http://www.swiss-comp.ch/
Check it out!
Cheers,
Jean-Louis
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Re: Canon 1014XL-S modified for 1000ft loads!!!
Wow!
I'm impressed by all the projects this guys has going. Very cool and thanks for posting!
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I'm impressed by all the projects this guys has going. Very cool and thanks for posting!
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It is all on S8 (no DS8). And it is not working yet. Although light is at the end of the tunnel and it may look like the Chaplin scene past nr 84
There is a man in Japan who did the same mod to a 1014 to use Single-8 film in a Super-8 camera. A bit of a little Supermag
The contraption is supposed to facilitate the transfer of digital (DVD/Blu-Ray) to Super-8 which apparently is of the most importance
To get recent big-screen films onto Super-8 for what? Children's birthday parties and such. ( I know of one guy who has a busy schedule performing 16mm projections at such events. Using old 16mm copies).
One would hope the constructor has thought out the costs per meter and who (Andec?) is going to process these long rolls. Maybe he is going to build a machine for that too?
As a spin-off he could sell these pressure plates at Euro 50 to fund the project
There is a man in Japan who did the same mod to a 1014 to use Single-8 film in a Super-8 camera. A bit of a little Supermag

The contraption is supposed to facilitate the transfer of digital (DVD/Blu-Ray) to Super-8 which apparently is of the most importance

One would hope the constructor has thought out the costs per meter and who (Andec?) is going to process these long rolls. Maybe he is going to build a machine for that too?
As a spin-off he could sell these pressure plates at Euro 50 to fund the project

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Wow this guy is seriously amazing -- Roger should have a look at this - he'd really enjoy the level of technical work.
I only scanned through it in German (with my average knowledge of the language) - but it appears he's just using it for making transfers to film - so the frame rate may be very low and probably wouldn't be up to 18 or 24 fps for normal use. Which is alright of course since that's his purpose but it probably won't spin off into wider or normal use.
The other thought I had too was the film goes through quite a path to get to the gate - I wonder would it be feasible to build in a series of mirrors to take the image out of the cartridge area into the side area where the bigger magazine is in order to create a simpler path for the film and hence the ability to run the mag at higher speeds - even up to 70 fps or so.
Selling the pressure plates cheaply is a great idea too.
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I only scanned through it in German (with my average knowledge of the language) - but it appears he's just using it for making transfers to film - so the frame rate may be very low and probably wouldn't be up to 18 or 24 fps for normal use. Which is alright of course since that's his purpose but it probably won't spin off into wider or normal use.
The other thought I had too was the film goes through quite a path to get to the gate - I wonder would it be feasible to build in a series of mirrors to take the image out of the cartridge area into the side area where the bigger magazine is in order to create a simpler path for the film and hence the ability to run the mag at higher speeds - even up to 70 fps or so.
Selling the pressure plates cheaply is a great idea too.
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My assumption is that the guy is in retirement and has somewhat more time than those with a job and with family obligations.
The work is still in progress. The webpage is updated while you read it
Apparently the acryl parts didn't perform all that well and needed replacement.
The camera and player are triggered using this wheel with two micro switches. This makes that the camera doesn't run in slow-moving continuous but single frame. This means the inside trigger solenoid mechanisme will wear out really fast. It will be gone after a few rolls of 300 meter
I don't want to question the motivation for the project but I don't see what the advantage is over shooting standard cartridges. Is it really that bad to have splices in your Charley Chaplin projection copy? The cost per meter for 300 meter rolls isn't that much lower.
It would be worth the consideration to position the large magazine on top of the camera and keep the viewfinder free. That way the camera can still be used with 60 meter rolls in standard filming.
We'll have to wait to see what comes from it
Anybody interested in a Euro 300 copy of Charley Chaplin's Modern Times?
The work is still in progress. The webpage is updated while you read it

Apparently the acryl parts didn't perform all that well and needed replacement.
The camera and player are triggered using this wheel with two micro switches. This makes that the camera doesn't run in slow-moving continuous but single frame. This means the inside trigger solenoid mechanisme will wear out really fast. It will be gone after a few rolls of 300 meter

I don't want to question the motivation for the project but I don't see what the advantage is over shooting standard cartridges. Is it really that bad to have splices in your Charley Chaplin projection copy? The cost per meter for 300 meter rolls isn't that much lower.
It would be worth the consideration to position the large magazine on top of the camera and keep the viewfinder free. That way the camera can still be used with 60 meter rolls in standard filming.
We'll have to wait to see what comes from it

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Work is in progress. The base plate is now fully aluminium and the sprockets from hardened aluminium. Also gears are redone.
If the magazine were on top of the camera and it would interlock with camera who have a 60 meter magazine door in their roof it would certainly be marketable. Wittner has most/all S8 materials on 60 meter reels. No trickery loading needed them.
If the magazine were on top of the camera and it would interlock with camera who have a 60 meter magazine door in their roof it would certainly be marketable. Wittner has most/all S8 materials on 60 meter reels. No trickery loading needed them.
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Well, the project was abandoned
Now for the second attempt.

Now for the second attempt.
Now salvation must come from a Russian DS8 camera.Kopieranlage ZV (zweite Version)
Die hier beschriebene Kopierstation soll es möglich machen, digitale Aufnahmen aller Art auf traditionellen Super-8 Film zu übertragen. Dazu wird der digitale Film von einem LCD Monitor Bild für Bild einzeln abfotografiert. Ene erste Version, basierend auf einer umgebauten Kamera "Canon 1014 XL-S" mit grossem Zusatzmagazin führte nicht zum Ziel. Nach einer kurzen Denkpause von einigen Tagen wird das das Projekt nun noch einmal neu angegangen, diesmal auf einem stark verändertem Grundkonzept.
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Does he indicate why it was abandoned? The solenoid switch problem that you mentioned was what I thought might be the fatal flaw.aj wrote:Well, the project was abandoned![]()
Interesting project nonetheless.
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It is a bit lame that he deleted the text and images of the first attempt.
I had not checked it for a few weeks.
It never came to testing the endurance of the solenoid
According to the intro he could not get the registration of the frames within desired limits.
Which is no wonder (in my opinion) as there was no mechanism for loop keeping and although the pressure plate looked nice enough I never noticed any consideration of the friction which a S8 plate must supply to keep the film from moving when it is not being advanced by the claw. Too bad he didn't list a email address or something.
Had he used a Nikon R10 or R8 he could have had benefit from their stop-pins.
These stop-pins were intended to have a defined value of pull at which the film would advance and when not.
The only thing of course would be that you would loose the viewfinder when you would cut out the roof of the cartridge-chamber
I had not checked it for a few weeks.
It never came to testing the endurance of the solenoid

According to the intro he could not get the registration of the frames within desired limits.
Which is no wonder (in my opinion) as there was no mechanism for loop keeping and although the pressure plate looked nice enough I never noticed any consideration of the friction which a S8 plate must supply to keep the film from moving when it is not being advanced by the claw. Too bad he didn't list a email address or something.
Had he used a Nikon R10 or R8 he could have had benefit from their stop-pins.

The only thing of course would be that you would loose the viewfinder when you would cut out the roof of the cartridge-chamber

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And now the whole site is gone...
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Hi,
this July Mr. Rudolf Suter (owner of http://www.swiss-comp.ch/ and initiator of the project) reported that he has some very serious health problems. Even though he's now well again, he reported that he has got some financial problems due to his illness (he's a freelancer running a small company - "of course" his whole business was "dormant" while he was in the hospital).
Jörg
this July Mr. Rudolf Suter (owner of http://www.swiss-comp.ch/ and initiator of the project) reported that he has some very serious health problems. Even though he's now well again, he reported that he has got some financial problems due to his illness (he's a freelancer running a small company - "of course" his whole business was "dormant" while he was in the hospital).
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Sorry to hear that. Glad he will not show up on the new forum-segment 

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