Pro8mm vision3 50d already available!

[Mana]

Just got an email as I subscribe to them! They are offering a test package here:

http://www.pro8mm.com/Merchant5/merchan ... ode=pro803

[carllooper]

Yay !

[Will2]

I think it's just a $75 test package for film processing and transfer. I don't see where you can buy the film by itself quite yet.

[carllooper]

Yes - it's a pre-release promotional thing - like when beta versions of software are made available to "can't wait" early adopters. But they do say it will be on the shelves soon. The fact that it also includes a Kodak survey could be indicative of Kodak considering release of such. Perhaps Pro8 are doing limited runs while Kodak are um and ah-ing.

[Nicholas Kovats]

I aim to get this perfed as R8 for UP8.

[Will2]

I aim to get this perfed as R8 for UP8.

PM me when you get ready to order, I'll tag some on if you do.

[richard p. t.]

I aim to get this perfed as R8 for UP8.

That would indeed be quite a coup as a special order form Kodak. Has there ever been a special order for an 8mm format that has ever actually come off? (perhaps the existence of 100d and Tri-X in R8 is an example of one ...).
Or are you intending to have the stock perforated by Mr Nowill?
I guess it is unlikely that kodak will be listing this as available in double perforated lengths.

[carllooper]

I aim to get this perfed as R8 for UP8.

PM me when you get ready to order, I'll tag some on if you do.

Count me on that - if it's going to happen. Shooting UP8 neg - particularly 50D - will make the investment in UP8 even better.

A few years ago I worked on a computer animated film (which including some video source). The content of the film was centered on Australia's strange policy of locking up refugees for inordinate amounts of time. Anyway - it was printed to 35mm for anamorphic screening (ala Cinemascope). Looked absolutely amazing on the big screen. Very powerful and poetic. Would love to do the same with UP8 - ie. shoot UP8, 2K transfer to digital, with print back to 35mm, squeezed for anamorphic projection. There's plenty of venues across the planet with 35mm anamorphic projection capability. The original producer on the animated film didn't want to do anamorphic 35mm because he argued it would limit distribution. He was exceptionally insistent. The director consulted me about it. I told him: how many times do you get an opportunity to do a cinemascope film on 35mm (being independant filmmakers with limited resources). Who cares if distribution is limited. Tell the producer off. You can always make a standard aspect film next time. The director agreed. He fired the producer (as you can do on an independant film) and we got to make a cinemascope 35mm film. As it turned out there were plenty of venues/festivals that could screen it - and more to the point - were more than happy to screen it. An opportunity to wipe the dust off their anamorphic lens.

[Nicholas Kovats]

richard p.t.

Special order to Kodak is out of the question as per my recent queries. I am about inquire to Mr. Nowill as to his current status regarding his new setup(s).

Regards,

NIcholas

[Nicholas Kovats]

I have finally realized that in fact forum member "eskinazi" is none other than Edward Nowill.

He has confirmed that at this time he cannot offer a single perf 16mm to 2 perf 8mm service as that would require a significant investment in the required die.

But he wetted my appetite with a general description regarding something about 8mm manufacturing "post-Kodak". Back to you Edward.

[eskinazi]

Kodak's problems are a big worry as their stock range is extensive & many products are not covered by other manufacturers.
Colour film needs big R&D.Black/white manufacturers are more commonplace.The future may involve all the usual manufacturers/suppliers of m.p. film supplying a range of b/w stocks & a more limited range of colour ones.I have found colour reversal to be the biggest seller.The Kodak 7363 b/w ortho high contrast positive has a following too [as it looks so good as a projected reversal].Pro 8 do this as a super8 stock. Kodak currently manufacture a whole family of such emulsions-wonderful for artists/experimenters.I only have limited demand for colour neg,but have recently reperforated Fuji colour negative stocks
which have an appeal all of their own.I have used their colour neg type F64 & liked the results [as 16mm].
Ilford ,after a management buyout,continue to manufacture their range of b/w films & papers & they report a steady demand for their products,confident that this will remain so long into the future.
If kodak goes this way we will see the slower selling stocks being dumped.Buy while you can & as much as you can for now
as the future is uncertain.

[carllooper]

I only have limited demand for colour neg, but have recently reperforated Fuji colour negative stocks
which have an appeal all of their own.I have used their colour neg type F64 & liked the results [as 16mm].

Does that mean you now have the ability to reperf 16mm colour neg to 8mm? Or am I misunderstanding the thread here?

Or to put it another way: how much 16mm colour neg can I get reperfed to 8mm for $1000 (including cost of neg).

Carl

[richard p. t.]

As long as it starts out as double perf.

Currently, the Kodak catalogue lists 3 colour negative stocks available in double perf 16mm: Vision 3 500t, V3 250D and V3 200t
Vision 2 50d sadly isn't. I doubt wether V3 50d will be. But we can hope.

rt

[carllooper]

As long as it starts out as double perf.

Currently, the Kodak catalogue lists 3 colour negative stocks available in double perf 16mm: Vision 3 500t, V3 250D and V3 200t
Vision 2 50d sadly isn't. I doubt wether V3 50d will be. But we can hope.

rt

Ah, I see. Thanks Richard. That clears it up. I was under the mistaken impression there wasn't any neg to 8mm possible. But as I now see, it's just 50D that's the issue. For my purposes V3 200T and F64 will be fine (for UP8 shooting).

[Nicholas Kovats]

Gentleman,

This is a current list of Kodak 16mm stock with Winding B 2R-2994 which qualify for Mr. Edward Nowill's reperforation services , i.e. 16mm 2R-2994 to R8mm 2R-1497 as utilized by R8 and UP8 formats.

a.) Catalog schema -> 2R (2x perf) 2994 (pitch in 1/1000 inch).
b.) It must be B Wind stock.
c.) 2011 Kodak catalog source -> http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploaded ... 5_2011.pdf

1. KODAK VISION3 500T Color Negative Film 7219
cat# min order net unit net price effective date
SP449 / 16 mm x 100 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 1240761 1 1-+ 37.57 03/05/2010
SP578 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 1908789 5 1-+ 147.93 03/05/2010
SP451 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1270982 1 1-+ 146.18 03/05/2010

2. KODAK VISION3 250D Color Negative Film 7207
SP578 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / Camera Spool 2R-2994 8110298 5 1-+ 147.93 03/05/2010

3. KODAK VISION3 200T Color Negative Film 7213
SP449 / 16 mm x 100 ft roll / Camera Spool / 2R-2994 8765612 18 1-+ 37.57 05/26/2010
SP451 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1102680 1 1-+ 146.18 05/26/2010

4. KODAK EKTACHROME 100D Color Reversal Film 7285
16 mm with 8 mm Perforations
SP467 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core, (Type R) / 2R-1497 8679318 20 1-+ 141.92 11/08/2006

5. KODAK TRI-X Reversal Film 7266
16 mm with 8 mm Perforations
SP467 / 16 mm x 400 ft roll / On Core / 2R-1497 8751935 5 1-+ 86.69 02/02/2010

6. KODAK VISION Color Intermediate Film 3242 (ESTAR Base)
SP452 / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1347293 6 1-+ 669.53 03/01/2002

7. KODAK VISION Color Intermediate Film 7242
35 mm with 16 mm perforations
SP452 / 16 mm x 1200 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1791284 2 1-+ 365.28 03/01/2002
SP452 / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1689488 2 1-+ 608.80 03/01/2002

8. EASTMAN Color Internegative II Film 3272 (ESTAR Base)
CIT452 / ESTAR Base / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 8392490 2 1-+ 1,030.90 02/15/2009

9. EASTMAN Color Internegative II Film 7272
CIT452 / 16 mm x 1200 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1020718 1 1-+ 618.54 02/15/2009

10. EASTMAN Fine Grain Duplicating Panchromatic Negative Film 3234 (ESTAR Base)
FDN452 / ESTAR Base / 16 mm x 1000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 8471534 10 1-+ 187.53 02/15/2009

11. EASTMAN Fine Grain Duplicating Panchromatic Negative Film 5234 / 7234
FDN452 / 16 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / 2R-2994 1959766 2 1-+ 375.06 02/15/2009

I may or may not have an announcement specific to UP8 as per upcoming tests.