Are all 50 foot 16mm magazines double perf only?

[slashmaster]

I borrowed a Bell and Howell Filmo Speedster and bought 2 cartridges I found on ebay along with 100 feet of trix to put in them. I now realize the camera claw drives the sprockets on the normal side and a sprocket wheel drives only the sprocket holes on the other side. Did anyone ever make cartridges meant for single perf? I'm thinking about drilling out the rivet holding the sprocket wheel down and putting the sprocket back in upside down. This would probably work wouldn't it? Oh yeah, I also meant to ask, do these cameras get good registration or is it poor?

[richard p. t.]

The Russian made replica Bell and Howell camera, the KIEV something something, comes with 3 magazines that only require single perf film. I believe it is possible to use these magazines with American magazine cameras. Do let us know if you do try modifying an American magazine.
richard

[mr8mm]

Several 2 side perf stocks are available from Kodak. Tri-X is available for starts. I believe some neg stocks are available. Some are perf'ed for high speed cameras but they will work in your mag camera. The pitch difference is slight.
Check the latest Kodak price list at the Kodak motion picture website. I can sell 2-side perf 16mm Tri-X as one each.

john S.

[David M. Leugers]

The "standard" Kodak 50 ft magazine requires double perf film. There is a way to load one with single perf film and it had been said that it worked fine, but I have never tried it. It required loading the magazine in an unorthodox way and not using the take-up sprocket as I recall. I have an old issue of a film making magazine around here somewhere where this was shown.

[slashmaster]

Richard, Thanks, I'll take pics of myself machining the cartridge if I do it.

Mr8mm, I just looked at that link from your profile, interesting you still have the 64t and plus x super 8. I never got my chance to run any of those. Do you still have plenty left? Maybe I will buy some off you.

David, anything you can find about these things that you can post or send me the link to would be great!

[mr8mm]

I am sold out of 64T. I do have some PXR 100. I have 100d instead of 64T. Bad me, I am not good at maintaining the website.

John S.

[mr8mm]

Another option with the 16mm magazine is to use regular 8 film which is 2 edge perf'd and 16mm wide. Some 16mm cameras run R8 just fine.

John S.

[David M. Leugers]

Hey, I found it! Talk about finding a needle in a haystack... I found the tip of how to use single perf film in a Kodak 16mm magazine in the 1948 November issue of Home Movies magazine. I scanned the page and saved it as a PDF file. OK, how can I post the PDF here, if possible?

[woods01]

When you post a message underneath the "Save/Preview/Submit" buttons you'll see two tabs: "options" and "upload attachment".

Would love to read those instructions, I've been considering getting one of those magazine cameras.

[David M. Leugers]

Here it is as a JPEG.

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[slashmaster]

Thanks David! So basically it just bypasses the sprocket wheel? Guess I can do that for now. The cartridges I got didn't come with cores for the unexposed film but guess I can machine my own. Once I've run the two 50 footers am I supposed to splice them back together and put it back on the 100 foot reel for processing? Seems like a huge task getting all this stuff done in total darkness.

[einzelhaft83]

Thanks David! So basically it just bypasses the sprocket wheel? Guess I can do that for now. The cartridges I got didn't come with cores for the unexposed film but guess I can machine my own. Once I've run the two 50 footers am I supposed to splice them back together and put it back on the 100 foot reel for processing? Seems like a huge task getting all this stuff done in total darkness.

I don't know if I would trust a splice in processing. I have considered it as I have quite a few 50 ft. rolls of high speed Ektachrome. The lab charges for a minimum of 100, so far I have just paid for that.

[David M. Leugers]

This is what I do. I unload the magazine inside a changing bag and take the 50ft of film now wound upon the takeup spool and put a rubber band around it to keep it from unwinding. I also usually tape the end also. While still in the bag, I place the roll inside a plastic 100ft can from Kodak that I have removed the identifying labels from. I have made up my own labels which identify the contents as being a 50ft magazine load "UNLOAD ONLY IN COMPLETE DARKNESS" and to please return the mag spool with the processed film. I also identify the type of film inside and any other pertinent info (ASA shot at etc). I find that if you send at least 200ft total of film for a lab to process they are really great at taking care of you. Shooting 16mm mag film takes some effort up front, but once you get going it is a lot of fun. The cameras are inexpensive but many have sharp lenses and they are definitely cool to operate.

[slashmaster]

Thanks for the replies everyone! By any chance has anyone tried widening the gate on one of these magazines with good results?

[freddenacka]

Any one that still have this instruktions?