Introducting a new ultra-wide film format called UltraPan8

[Will2]

So this is like the equivalent of 2-perf 35mm but in it's 16mm form...right? Half the height, twice the running time.

[kuparikettu]

After reperforated 16mm film is available, is it possible to fit in a 30,5m/100ft load?

To answer the part of this quote that Bolextech missed in his answer.....

"re-perforated 16mm film" is ALREADY available... it always has been and is known as "Double 8".

It's the availability of this stock which has prompted the conception of this "format".

BUT, as a reminder, it would have to be processed as "16mm", WITHOUT splitting!

Ah, I hadn't realized that there are longer loads already available. But no negative films yet, am I correct?

[Nicholas Kovats]

Hi Will2.

What you are describing is 35mm 2.4:1 Techniscope.

UltraPan8 utilizes a similar but wider native spherical aspect ratio, i.e. 2.8:1 as opposed to the 2.4:1 aspect ratios respectively of Cinemascope (2x anamorpic optical compression) or Techniscope (native gate).

I will be uploading the complete high resolution sequential JPEGS in the near future.

So this is like the equivalent of 2-perf 35mm but in it's 16mm form...right? Half the height, twice the running time.

[Nicholas Kovats]

Hi grainy.

It is not a specialized telecine process and is very cost effective at least here in Toronto. The basic requirement is a sprocketless 16mm transfer bay/projector with the digital taking camera moved in or zoomed in to the exact frame requirement.

In my case John captured the entire width of the 16mm frame. This is called over-scanning.

veeerrry interesting!
May I ask what the costs are for the camera conversion and the specialized (from what I can tell) telecine?

[Nicholas Kovats]

kuparikettu,

Mr. Edward Nowill in the UK is able to re-perforate any 2R 16mm reversal or negative stock into standard double perf R8/D8mm stock. Apparently turn around is approximately 8 weeks.

Ah, I hadn't realized that there are longer loads already available. But no negative films yet, am I correct?

[grainy]

grainy,

Jean-Louis is bang on as to the efficiency and capacity of this format.

I will amplify his post by referencing basic filmstock unit(s), i.e. there are 40x 16mm frames and 80x 8mm frame per foot.

UltraPan8 utilizes the 16mm frame width and 8mm frame height , i.e. 10.75mm x 3.75mm. I believe Jean-Louis milled and increased the the 8mm frame height above spec., i.e. ANSI PH22.107.

Visually there are 2x 10.75mm x 3.75mm UltraPan8 frames per 40x 16mm frames per foot or alternatively 1x 10.75mm x 3.75mm UltraPan8 frames per 80x 8mm frames per foot... The key is 1/2 pulldown of 8mm relative to 16mm gates and the identical perforations shared by both. From the perspective of standard Super 8 and R/D8mm it represent an approximate 80-90% and 100% increase in shooting area, i.e. resolution is bumped up considerably.

Hi guys - so maybe this is obvious, but I just need to verify:
UltraPan8, as realized with an H16 camera (bolex-only, I assume at this point), runs at 24 fps, but the modification, using H8 components, makes the H16 camera advance the film a smaller amount per frame to accomodate the new frame width.
If this is so, does that actually give the shooter 2x the footage per roll? So say I buy a 100' roll for (say) 50$ -- I'll actually be getting a lot more frames, so it's more like 200' for the same price when I shoot?? (maybe not 2x but that's just for illustration).
thanks!
G

[richard p. t.]

If this is so, does that actually give the shooter 2x the footage per roll? So say I buy a 100' roll for (say) 50$ -- I'll actually be getting a lot more frames, so it's more like 200' for the same price when I shoot?? (maybe not 2x but that's just for illustration).
thanks!
G

Yes, that is correct; from a 100' roll of R8 film loaded in such a camera you would get the same number of frames as 200' of 16mm. It is exactly 2:1 because you are simply getting 2 frames in the area normally occupied by only 1. But they are very narrow and wide frames ...

[Mana]

I am starting to like the sound of this...