16mm Orthochromatic Film
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16mm Orthochromatic Film
I want to produce effects in an optical printer using 16mm orthochromatic film. Eastman 3378E seems like a stock that could produce those effects - film on which the image is opaque and clear without any gray scale - but I've only achieved those effects with 35mm orthochromatic film for still photography. Has anyone used orthochromatic motion picture film in this way?
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richard p. t.
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Re: 16mm Orthochromatic Film
g'day Sciolist,
the sound recording negs like 3378 and 3374, as well as the straight 'hi con' 7363 don't give the lithographic effect you used to get from kodak lith film. They probably would if you could still get the Kodalith developer, but you would have to make that yourself. I process them in D19 myself (well I don't keep 3378, but the others I do). The 78 and the 63 have similar 'lab' sensitivities, where as the 74 is faster at 40 asa and panchromatic. The sound negs have a purple dyed base, whereas the 63 is clear and double perf. I find double perf very useful for JK work as you can reverse image (or matte when using it as a matte). Whether it is panchro or ortho just means whether it is red sensitive. The ortho is blue and green sensitive. The 63 hi con and bw print are both blue only stocks. I shoot a lot of sound neg as camera stock - love the look. Its just not the full LITH look of the old Lith film - ie there are still some tones to it, especially in the toe. You can radically increase the contrast however if you go to two generations of hi-con or sound neg. Or if the original material being filmed is itself hi con then the result is lithoraphic.
Have a look at this clip of mine on vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/12508201
here I used 63 hi con in two generations and then print it with colours onto colour print before making a print of that again on colour print. You can see that the two generations of 63 created the lithographic effect.
cheers,
richard
the sound recording negs like 3378 and 3374, as well as the straight 'hi con' 7363 don't give the lithographic effect you used to get from kodak lith film. They probably would if you could still get the Kodalith developer, but you would have to make that yourself. I process them in D19 myself (well I don't keep 3378, but the others I do). The 78 and the 63 have similar 'lab' sensitivities, where as the 74 is faster at 40 asa and panchromatic. The sound negs have a purple dyed base, whereas the 63 is clear and double perf. I find double perf very useful for JK work as you can reverse image (or matte when using it as a matte). Whether it is panchro or ortho just means whether it is red sensitive. The ortho is blue and green sensitive. The 63 hi con and bw print are both blue only stocks. I shoot a lot of sound neg as camera stock - love the look. Its just not the full LITH look of the old Lith film - ie there are still some tones to it, especially in the toe. You can radically increase the contrast however if you go to two generations of hi-con or sound neg. Or if the original material being filmed is itself hi con then the result is lithoraphic.
Have a look at this clip of mine on vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/12508201
here I used 63 hi con in two generations and then print it with colours onto colour print before making a print of that again on colour print. You can see that the two generations of 63 created the lithographic effect.
cheers,
richard
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Re: 16mm Orthochromatic Film
Thanks. The effects you've achieved are similar to those for which I'm aiming. I'm sorry to learn there isn't a lith equivalent in 16mm; it would make the process easier and quicker. I guess my Morse tank will be getting a workout.