double super8, what will it take for YOU to convert?

[reflex]

I think Angus hit it perfectly with his "DS8 fairy" post. I've invested a lot of energy & Euros/Dollars getting to know my current S8 gear, and any dabbling in DS8 will have to come from a cheapo eBay special.

Don't get me wrong -- If a Bolex DS8 fell from the sky, I'd use it and love it.

[Juno]

Blah, blah, blah me all you want. It's just hard to take you seriously, man. :lol:

Yeah that's my point. With all of your stupid bullshit about your cameras that you would rather take to bed with you than shoot film with and your stupid rants against high end Japanese cameras, you could not be taken seriously from the beginning. This is very appropriate : BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!

[super8man]

Juno,

First, I am not taking sides, but I just wanted to suggest that you should consider getting an avatar...that way I can enjoy the side show between you and the masked zorro guy called santo.

Cheers,
m

[S8 Booster]

Blah, blah, blah me all you want. It's just hard to take you seriously, man. :lol:

Yeah that's my point. With all of your stupid bullshit about your cameras that you would rather take to bed with you than shoot film with and your stupid rants against high end Japanese cameras, you could not be taken seriously from the beginning. This is very appropriate : BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!

This:

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!

is right on level with Santo´s technical, photo & cam skills.
(Translated: I believe anything I read from books as long as it is of German origin or related thereto - and most of all I love to crawl in old cam gear hype incorrectly researched from the date of release due to also - lack of enginering skills - a l o n g t i m e a g o.)


Super8 Man: What about this one:
Maybe we should all wear our "masks" from now on :?:



R

[AngelDragon]

I'm glad the topic is deviating to avatars. I would like to ask Reflex if he made his.
I swear I used to see those little things when I was four. They would jump and laugh and ask me to do stuff for them.

[Santo]

Super8 Man: What about this one:
Maybe we should all wear our "masks" from now on :?:



R

Whoa! It sounds like you're suggesting that one for Juno. He's a little off, but not that far off. That's a little harsh, don't you think?

[greenplastic79]

I think it would help if you figured out how to use proper capitalization and chose a less androgynous screen name. It also wouldn't hurt to stop saying things that are obvious exaggerations like:

Double Super 8 is the Best!

Most of the time it seems that your posts were written by a 10 year old kid. Half of my posts are either dumb or backwards, but I wouldn't be taking such a blithe approach if I was actually trying to sell people on something.

I'm not interested in being part of the grammar police or discouraging your obviously undying interest in Double Super 8, but if you really want people to participate in a serious business venture with you, you should act like an adult.

[Lunar07]

You can not simply unscrew a lens slightly and then use it. And a spacer is not an ultimate solution. The C mount, as is, is not a 'pro' mount since there is a big chance that it does not keep the lens in place as you focus, pull focus, etc... A spacer only adds to the problem since the lens will not be securely seated in the mount.
<b>Nothing short of modifying the turret will do.</b> The turret mounts have to be widened (say to a threaded diameter of 27mm or 30.5mm) then the raised C mount adapter is either soldered, glued or screwed into the new C mount.
Now I know why the H-8 Rex DS8 I received a while back with an Angenieux zoom lens had the turret mount modified where this zoom lens was mounted.

I want to revisit that C mount adapter which allows C mount lenses to be used on the H-8 Rex. Are you sure you have one? I discovered that one can use a 16mm C mount lens on the H-8 rex if one unscrews the lens slightly. This means that the adapter should be **recessed**. BUT since we are going from a c mount to a c mount - this means nothing short of modifiying the turret itself is needed to create such an adapter. One has to widen the turret C mount on the H-8 Rex then create such an adapter.
I wish you can publish the specs of the adapter you mentioned before to see how such a C mount extension can avoid the recessed issue.

But if we are going from a c mount to a c mount, why do we have to modify the turret?
"...in order to use 16mm lenses a spacer ring must be fitted" I read that somewhere , so such adaptor is just an spacer. . And since it's just a matter of of a slight difference with the Rx lenses, I thought about what Lunar just said, if it's possible to just unscrew a regular 16mm lens slightly.
I'm just speculating here, trying to find something to learn.

[AngelDragon]

You can not simply unscrew a lens slightly and then use it. And a spacer is not an ultimate solution. The C mount, as is, is not a 'pro' mount since there is a big chance that it does not keep the lens in place as you focus, pull focus, etc... A spacer only adds to the problem since the lens will not be securely seated in the mount.
<b>Nothing short of modifying the turret will do.</b> The turret mounts have to be widened (say to a threaded diameter of 27mm or 30.5mm) then the raised C mount adapter is either soldered, glued or screwed into the new C mount.
Now I know why the H-8 Rex DS8 I received a while back with an Angenieux zoom lens had the turret mount modified where this zoom lens was mounted.

Ah! I see this is far more complicated that I tought. I assume that once this modification is carried, the H8 Rx lenses can't be used anymore, am I wrong? Do you think the Rx lenses are decent lenses?

So you received a modified H8 DS8 ... Well, isn't that strange!
I bought a very nice regular H8, by the time I got it I had my Regular 8mm film ready to be used, but the thing wouldn't take it, and it came with 4 100ft rolls of K25 in the case, the yellow box read "double super 8". That was very strange too.

[Lunar07]

You can not simply unscrew a lens slightly and then use it. And a spacer is not an ultimate solution. The C mount, as is, is not a 'pro' mount since there is a big chance that it does not keep the lens in place as you focus, pull focus, etc... A spacer only adds to the problem since the lens will not be securely seated in the mount.
<b>Nothing short of modifying the turret will do.</b> The turret mounts have to be widened (say to a threaded diameter of 27mm or 30.5mm) then the raised C mount adapter is either soldered, glued or screwed into the new C mount.
Now I know why the H-8 Rex DS8 I received a while back with an Angenieux zoom lens had the turret mount modified where this zoom lens was mounted.

Ah! I see this is far more complicated that I tought. I assume that once this modification is carried, the H8 Rx lenses can't be used anymore, am I wrong? Do you think the Rx lenses are decent lenses?

If the modification is done, one can not use the H-8 Rex lenses. But depending on the adapter used on the modified turret, I imagine that one can use either regular C mount lenses including Non-Rex lenses OR the Bolex 16mm Rex lenses. The Switar H-8 Rex lenses are excellent lenses but the problem is that it is a dead end system. Not many choices as compared to the 16mm Rex lenses.

So you received a modified H8 DS8 ... Well, isn't that strange!

Why strange? You mean the modified turret?

I bought a very nice regular H8, by the time I got it I had my Regular 8mm film ready to be used, but the thing wouldn't take it, and it came with 4 100ft rolls of K25 in the case, the yellow box read "double super 8". That was very strange too.

You are lucky :-D

[ericMartinJarvies]

You can not simply unscrew a lens slightly and then use it. And a spacer is not an ultimate solution. The C mount, as is, is not a 'pro' mount since there is a big chance that it does not keep the lens in place as you focus, pull focus, etc... A spacer only adds to the problem since the lens will not be securely seated in the mount.
<b>Nothing short of modifying the turret will do.</b> The turret mounts have to be widened (say to a threaded diameter of 27mm or 30.5mm) then the raised C mount adapter is either soldered, glued or screwed into the new C mount.
Now I know why the H-8 Rex DS8 I received a while back with an Angenieux zoom lens had the turret mount modified where this zoom lens was mounted.

Ah! I see this is far more complicated that I tought. I assume that once this modification is carried, the H8 Rx lenses can't be used anymore, am I wrong? Do you think the Rx lenses are decent lenses?

So you received a modified H8 DS8 ... Well, isn't that strange!
I bought a very nice regular H8, by the time I got it I had my Regular 8mm film ready to be used, but the thing wouldn't take it, and it came with 4 100ft rolls of K25 in the case, the yellow box read "double super 8". That was very strange too.

plastic or foil washers work just fine on c-mount lenses/mounts. so long as you establish a body and lens reference mark at the time of lens and body adjustment, you'll be fine thereinafter if the threads loosen. when they loosen, simply cut out a piece of foil in the shape of a washer suitable for the mount, and apply it, thread the lens on, and if it tightens to the reference marks, your good to go. perhaps more then one piece of foil is needed .. depending on the condition of the male body mount threads and the female lens mount threads. but this is of little effect if you have a gg type viewfinder camera system ... you can properly focus a lens that is not threaded to the correct reference marks ... the only thing that suffers is the ft/mt markeing on the lens and their innacurate readings in relation to the image on the film/viewfinder. the circle of outward extending light has well more then 2 full 360 degree turns of the c-mount lens in either direction(closer/smaller, further/larger) while maintaining image quality.

eric

[JWillikers]

Bringing this topic momentarily back from the dead, does anyone have contact information for Andrew Hayden if he is still around? Thanks...

[Wade]

Bringing this topic momentarily back from the dead, does anyone have contact information for Andrew Hayden if he is still around? Thanks...

email for Andrew Hayden:

doubleopen32@uwclub.net

[Patrick]

Well that was a blast from the past.

[Konton]

Hey, does anyone know if you can put just any Bolex 400' magazine on a Bolex DS8 camera?