New R8 Short 4 Download - UPDATE VCD & KILLER BUNNIES

[jumar]

We can go in different directions with this - let us say, for the sake of argument, that the images are chaotic, why do you feel that music/sound has to justify this instead of adding a layer that can carry it into a different dimension.

I don't feel that is has to. In this case, however, it really works for me. I think part of our disagreement is that you are visualizing this "different dimension" so it's not fulfilling your vision, whereas the piece far exceeded what I expected when I clicked the link.

[Lunar07]

We can go in different directions with this - let us say, for the sake of argument, that the images are chaotic, why do you feel that music/sound has to justify this instead of adding a layer that can carry it into a different dimension.

I don't feel that is has to.

I was taking you on your word. It was you who mentioned the word "chaotic." Right? In film you can take the word "chaotic" in many different ways and directions. Film 101 really. I am not inventing anything here. It is called the ability to appreciate something on many different levels.
With 'chaos' add to it the layer of the mind imposing order. Max Planck discovered that back in 1905, and it was not even in film.

In this case, however, it really works for me. I think part of our disagreement is that you are visualizing this "different dimension" so it's not fulfilling your vision,

What?!? What are you talking about?!? What different dimension?

whereas the piece far exceeded what I expected when I clicked the link.

Good for you! But try this exercise: view the piece with the volume muted. What do you see now? You'll see the emergence of many different directions that depend on your reading.
Now, did I say that I did not like the music/sound? No I did not! I said that the music/sound was predictable. It lacked texture. What is texture? Texture is what adds an amount of tension - the pull and push. The music/sound are fine. They are just flat.

[teadub]

I was in charge of the visuals, that is why I haven't commented on the sound. Personally I feel that the music is a bit static, however excruciating it may be. But do take this into account, the peice is ment to be shown in an art installation (and to a lesser degree in experimental festivals), and the sound will be quite loud. Nevertheless, I think people will leave feeling attacked, and most won't view it with such an academic discourse, reguardless of how valid it may be.

reminded me of, or gave me the kind of feeling I had when I first saw the ape/monolith scene in 2001.

That's funny you mention Kubrick, the director is a big fan. For me it reminds me a bit of Michael Snow, or maybe Brackhage ...

Congradulations, especially filming in R-8mm! It may be old, but it can still rock.

From a cinematographic sense, I feel that R8 offers more flexability than S8. And really, my camera is kind of crappy (although it is in great shape, compared to others I've seen). I am excited about Paul's perfing machine, this may influence a purchase of a DS8 cam.

I am really glad this piece has inspired so much conversation.

[Ashesoftime]

Great job teadub, I really like it, I tried the link to Killer Bunnies but it didn't work, where else can we watch Killer Bunnies?

[mathis]

regarding the sound i like the obvious reference to hitchcocks "birds" where oscar sala synthesised the bird sounds with the "trautonium", an electronic instrument of his own invention. it sounds quite similar.
personally i don´t like the added reverb to the theremin. i gives an indoor hearing, a sacred feeling with the church acoustic. i think for the wide landscape an echo would have fit better and would have been more interesting, regarding texture.

i think for gallery context the dramaturgy is fine, it´s dangerous here to tell something over time since most people won´t follow. you have to make a statement which stays more or less the same over the whole film.
it has to be more of a painting with moving images. this it is.

at first i didn´t know that the quad-screen is inherent to the used film technique. i can appreciate it now as a technically given concept. but at first viewing i became bored by the split screens very fast. i didn´t understand why all the time the vertical panels are the same picture while the horizontal are different. i looked for variation.

keep on,
- mathis

[Daniel McKay]

It's Nuts! I love it! I saw this film on the big screen at the last Flicker in NYC and the images and vibe hve been haunting me for the last two months. I can attest to the impact the music has when played loudly, especially with the huge bird images pecking at the audience on the Knitting Factory's large screen. The whole thing was a totall shock to the system at that show, and for me the point of all film is to elicit an emotional response in some way, positive or negative. I can't remember half the films from that night, but now having seen this one again, I'm surpised at how acurate my memories of it were. Quite an aftertaste.

BTW, I also have a Canon Zoom 8 and was wondering where you can find a replacement lightmeter battery. Is the original still available or do you use a substitue or external meter?
Cheers! Daniel

[teadub]

It's Nuts! I love it! I saw this film on the big screen at the last Flicker in NYC and the images and vibe hve been haunting me for the last two months. I can attest to the impact the music has when played loudly, especially with the huge bird images pecking at the audience on the Knitting Factory's large screen. The whole thing was a totall shock to the system at that show, and for me the point of all film is to elicit an emotional response in some way, positive or negative. I can't remember half the films from that night, but now having seen this one again, I'm surpised at how acurate my memories of it were. Quite an aftertaste.

Thats cool you got to see it at the Knitting Factory. How would you say the overall reception was?

BTW, I also have a Canon Zoom 8 and was wondering where you can find a replacement lightmeter battery. Is the original still available or do you use a substitue or external meter?

Do you mean Minolta Zoom 8?

I "eyeballed" all the light readings. The majority was shot at f16. Although I wish I had an ND on there.

I went to a battery store in Arizona, and the guy there new what the battery was. He took out and bigger battery, busted open the casing, reveiling two smaller batteries that resembled the one I was replacing. However when I put it in, it didn't work. But I think it may be because of a previous leak. It was a bit corroded when I bought the camera. Hell I only paid something like 5$ for it though.

[studiocarter]

O yea,
This Apex plays anything. I've been burning 720 dvd and playing the CDs just fine.

[Woland]

This is indeed a very interesting film. I'm not sure how to respond to it though. I mean it affected me, although for better or worse I'm not sure. I did feel a ceratin amount of claustrobhia while watching it, but at the same time could not avert my eyes. I think I enjoyed it very much.
Good work. i enjoyed it technically as well.

PS Were the ostriches being agitated in any way, or are these exaggerated movements of the camera? Thanks

[teadub]

Were the ostriches being agitated in any way, or are these exaggerated movements of the camera? Thanks

To answer your question, we were not agitating the ostriches. Most of the jerky movements were the ostriches coming for food, in combination with my being very close shooting with a wide lens. The ostriches would follow us were ever we went, and they seemed very interested in my camera. One even bit the lens, leaving a little mark on the outer housing.

This link is for regular8mm, and anyone who wants it. I tried to make a disc image of the S(X)VCD I made, but it didn't work for some reason. So I just made and MPEG that conforms to the normal VCD 1.0 standards. This way most people can view it.

ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video ... rdsVCD.mpg

This link is for ashesoftime, chas and others who asked for it. This file will direct you to the upward film rising archive copy of Killer Bunnies. It streems, so I would recommend a broadband connection and the newest version of Windows Media Player

ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video ... es_500.asf

[studiocarter]

THe first one was best. This vcd isn't quite right. WMP won't play it. I had to use MPEG-corrector to get WinonDVD to play it. It wasn't as clear or sharp as the first one.
TMPGEnc is used from from a avi capture to make SVCD, 480 x 480, MPEG-2 files in one step. It works great. And they look great. But you need the InterVideoWinDVD to get it to work with WMP.
Thanks for the updates 'Hollywood guy'.

Michael

[rhcvatni]

Just a thought; Some people who watch your film with sound, might try to commit suicide. I ripped my headphones off and felt like smashing them to bits. I guess an artist would be proud to make such an impact on his audience, but be carefull with this thing.