New John Schwind Site (Regular 8 Film)

[edwardnowill]

Post script;
10asa super 8 ( 7363/5363 ) is sold by Phil at Pro 8mm. This is one of the ones
I reperforate on account of its exceptional resolving power and good quality
processing at Andek in Germany,But I am sure that there are many labs in the U.S.A who would be just as good.7302 I sell to those who like to process their own.
Long Life and prosperity to motion picture film............E.N.

[marc]

You think that A.J. will think twice about opening his mouth from now on? I doubt it! :roll:

[marc]

Ed,
Can you keep us updated when you have the perfing problem worked out? Thanks!

[aj]

Ed,
Can you keep us updated when you have the perfing problem worked out? Thanks!

The punch has an error on one side (as mentioned in english) and that means that you have to wait till it is worn out (100.000 feet or so) or order from kodak. Or possibly built your own perforator. Check forum archive on the cotto machine. Where ever that went.

[edwardnowill]

With reference to my perforating machine: this was manufactured by Cine Engineering Services using no standard parts whatever all custom made.I did not
know that Kodak made punches & dies for perforating machines,can you give me a
contact name please? I understood ( and could be wrong )that Kodak used Buko
machines and that new sources of punches & dies for Bukos were becomming something of a problem.This has been a big problem for me as Buko have virtually ceased trading,hence me employing an engineer to make a new punch for me.My
Buko originally started life at the Ilford factory where it was worked very hard.
In life there is good enough & there is perfection.In the past when I have sought
perfection this has sometimes resulted in the complete destruction of machinery in
the hands of incompetant technicians.It is my intention when there is sufficient
wear on the punch/die of my 8mm perforator to have the error corrected.For me it
is not a problem as 80% of my equipment is matched claw to gate.
There is plenty of room for individuals/groups to put considerable resources into the problem of manufacturing motion picture film ( slitting/perforating )eg
Daniel Wittner who by himself has produced a tasty line up of motion picture
products.John Schwind too & others .
My own 8mmperforator is kept busy so the time to examine the punches/dies may not be so far into the future............E.N.

[aj]

I thought mr Cotto had his S8 punch and die manufactured somewhere in USA... Maybe ask him yourself where it came from. Use the forum search function to find the old threads. Pictures are gone

Otherwise I have some ancient email-address somewhere. From the time of the usenet

If a punch does 100,000feet Kodak will run out quickly while they run millions per anum. And if they cost a few thousand Euro it could easily cost a Euro per cartridge ???

[Ektagraphic]

I just buy it from Dwayne's and send it back there to be processed. They sell the Same Cinchrome 100D that comes from Wittner.

[marc]

The punch has an error on one side(as mentioned in english) and that means that you have to wait till it is worn out (100.000 feet or so) or order from kodak.

Yeah, no kidding! Hence the request to keep us UPDATED. And that is a word that you should be able to understand in any language! :roll:

[marc]

I thought mr Cotto had his S8 punch and die manufactured somewhere in USA... Maybe ask him yourself where it came from. Use the forum search function to find the old threads. Pictures are gone

Otherwise I have some ancient email-address somewhere. From the time of the usenet

If a punch does 100,000feet Kodak will run out quickly while they run millions per anum. And if they cost a few thousand Euro it could easily cost a Euro per cartridge ???

This thread is about R8.

[Jim Carlile]

Interesting. Did Larry Pearce finally retire?-- he was a true original-- I used to read all about him when he was a young guy, just like Tony Shapps.

The claw position has always been a big topic in Regular 8-- most people don't know that mismatched positions between camera and projector can result in picture unsteadiness even with Kodak stocks. One of the advantages of super 8 was that it standardized claw position for evermore.

The debates in the old magazines were fearsome-- like, is +3 better than +2, or why do the Germans do it differently, or will it ruin my film if I use a German projector and a Japanese camera, etc etc.

Here's a nice listing of R8 stocks:

http://standard8.org/film_stock.php

It feels like 1962! Are the sales of these that big?-- how fantastic ! Like who needs video...?

My understanding, BTW, is that Kodak uses B&H perforators. Has for years. A lot of their manufacturing equipment was custom built by them, too.

[edwardnowill]

Sorry everyone,I seem to have stirred up hornets nest in perfs.I will keep people
updated on new developments as it is in my interest to do so.
Larry Pearce retired when the lease came up for renewal on his shop but he still trades from home and advertises in International Movie Making magazine. Tony Shappes sold his business & it continues with an emphasis
on telescopes.Thanks for posting details about punches/dies ,I may follow these up.......................E.N...........................

[MovieStuff]

... most people don't know that mismatched positions between camera and projector can result in picture unsteadiness even with Kodak stocks. One of the advantages of super 8 was that it standardized claw position for evermore.....

Theoretically but the reality is that there are sometimes differences in position and they seem to make no difference at all. I have a Canon Scoopic DS8 and it has the claw about 4-5 frames after the gate, rather than 3 frames before the gate. So that's a difference of, like, 7 frames!.... Rock steady images always, regardless of what it was projected on or scanned with. So while always using the same sprocket hole is ideal, it has been proven not to be necessary, at least with Kodak stocks. But, obviously, if the perfs are way off, then you will see a problem.

Roger

[edwardnowill]

I disagree with Roger for the following reason.I have a large collection of home
movies in R8mm from 1954 onwards.Film that projects perfectly on one machine
shows rythmic unsteadiness on another.This happens more often than it shuold.
Pulling the frame line into the unsteady picture reveals a perfectly steady picture
above & below that which is being projected.Analysis of the individual frame lines
on a measuring microscope will demonstrate that an error of less than a micron is
sufficient to cause problems on screen.A perusal of the technical standards laid
down for both formats will make it plain that the mechanical engineering is being
pushed harder in regular 8mm.Indeed Kodak, in advertising 50% larger pictures
for super 8 implied this,although running down the older format would have hurt
sales.I have gone to considerable efforts in my perforating efforts & do not wish
to have the service run by Larry Pearce for many years & myself now Disparaged.
......................E.N............................

[christoph]

I have gone to considerable efforts in my perforating efforts & do not wish to have the service run by Larry Pearce for many years & myself now Disparaged

hello mr nowill,

just wanted to say that personally i am very grateful that you offer this service and i think it's fantastic that something like this still exists.
i never thought about shooting N8 until i've heard about your stock, and now i've got a nice little bolex and some of your b/w film.

looking forward to try it, i'm sure it will be a lot of fun and result in beautiful images.

so thanks a lot and i'll post the results
christoph

[standard8]

hello mr nowill,

just wanted to say that personally i am very grateful that you offer this service and i think it's fantastic that something like this still exists.
i never thought about shooting N8 until i've heard about your stock, and now i've got a nice little bolex and some of your b/w film.

looking forward to try it, i'm sure it will be a lot of fun and result in beautiful images.

so thanks a lot and i'll post the results
christoph

i'd like to add my appreciation too.