16mm sound recording film

[CineGuerrilha]

hi all, i bought an awful lot of sound recording 16mm film that in camera produces ultra high contrast BW. The film is new and agfa only sold 1200m minimum, so i wonder if anyone want to get some of this film from 0.21c of euro/meter?

[gianni1]

Sounds interesting, for in camera use. How would we get it? I don't mean postage (I'm somewhere in Europa), I mean would it come in a spindle wrapped in black foil, or daylight spool and can, etc? Sorry to be pedantic... just wondering... btw, I did a google search of sound film, and found a internet archive link to an 1942 film by Encyclopedia Britannica on Sound Recording Film. It "explains the mysteries of sound recording on film". Is this what it was originally designed for, optical sound tracks?


Sound Recording
and Reproduction
(Sound on Film)
(1943)

Gianni 8)

[CineGuerrilha]

Check this out:

this was filmed using kodak sound recording film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQgo9SwuVE

i'll be doing some tests today.

Regarding sending it, if u want 120m, i would roll it in a 120m core, if u wanna 30m in daylight spools, i can also do it with an additional of 3 euros as i don't want to run out of daylight spools, then put it in a plastic black bag and a can. Or, if one prefers cheaper, i can pack like some russian films, in a small plastic core than the film can be rolled onto a daylight spool when it arrives.

PS: I am not profiting a single cent with this, that's exactly the price i paid to agfa.

[James E]

Oooooh. So pretty! Very cool looking stuff. Is that what is being sold as ASA10 Hi-con super 8? Love to try some in my S8. Is this 1R? Only 16mm cam I have is 2R only....
Cheers,

[CineGuerrilha]

which film is this? hi-con iso 10?

anyway, they don't have single perf, i believe that's the requirement for sound printer. just shot 15m and i'll develop tonight as reversal film. the thing is that developing as reversal might give an additional stop

this is the film:
http://www.agfa.com/docs/sp/motionpictures/st8d_en.pdf

btw, u should consider filing the sprocket and the extra claw to be able to use 1r. Options are running thin for 2r film.

[gianni1]

Thanks, that's cools film. It says Ortho, which means it's ok to use a tiny red safe light in the corner for a bit while loading the film! I hate winding film onto a lomo tank in the dark. If I could see something...even for just a few moments, that would make it more relaxing at least while getting comfortable with that Lomo reel.

Gianni 8)

[James E]

which film is this? hi-con iso 10?

anyway, they don't have single perf, i believe that's the requirement for sound printer. just shot 15m and i'll develop tonight as reversal film. the thing is that developing as reversal might give an additional stop

this is the film:
http://www.agfa.com/docs/sp/motionpictures/st8d_en.pdf

btw, u should consider filing the sprocket and the extra claw to be able to use 1r. Options are running thin for 2r film.

Unfortunately I can't file down the other sproket since it's a GSAP type 50' cartridge.
Cheers,

[CineGuerrilha]

what about the scoopic of the picture... ?

Anyway, shot some yesterday and developed last night. Luckily, instead of opening the can under the red light i have in my dark room (AS IT IS A ORTHO FILM) i took a little stripe and put over the red lamp, it fogged it completely, so, i respool it in total darkness... shot during an overcast day, rated as iso 12, developed as reversal. just by inspecting the film by eye, i have to say, IT's MAGNIFICENT!!!

Much prettier than I was expecting. I'll try to scan it tonight, I have to clean the prism of my editing table/telecine machine for doing so, but damn how happy i am with this agfa film! And it's so easy to develop! it sucks all the power of my way-to-old chemicals...

[CineGuerrilha]

got the film developed, it looks fantastically. i tried to scan with my new stenback system but my camera is behaving terribly. the video can be found at

http://vimeo.com/1587139

i'll scan in a flatbed scanner a stripe for u to have a better idea.

[audadvnc]

Hi, all. I've got a few 1200 ft spools of Agfa ST8-258 Orthochromatic Sound Film here. In my film tests I expose for ASA 6, but 10 isn't too far off. With Ortho Sound Film used to shoot image you'll want to keep a couple things in mind:

- ASA 6-10 is really slow compared to normal modern film stocks. You'll need to open up your lens about 3 stops more than you're used to to make an image. Shooting in direct sunlight is a good idea.

- The film is very fine grain. You just don't see any grain at all with this film.

The film has no antihalation backing, so you get plenty of flare in high contrast scenes. For instance, if you shoot a line of trees against a cloudy sky, the trees fade off into the fog as you approach the sky line. On lower contrast scenes the lack of antihalation doesn't affect the image so much.

As it's orthochromatic, the color rendition is quite unusual. Red comes out black. Blue sky goes white - a sunny day looks like a cloudy day, except with shadows. Color filters don't work - you can leave your yellow filter home.

I have successfully processed this film as negative using D76; it looks like regular contrast on a telecine. With D19 or some other high contrast developer, you'll get high contrast - no surprise there.

[CineGuerrilha]

the intention is high contrast... the reversal processing gives 1 stop more or so. I do have to get a new camera for my telecine machine, i don't think the video i sent is just to this film... I also bought a new pressure plate to my camera that i was thinking in painting it black. But for the type of film i am aiming, that doesn't matter. Also, the lack of an antihalation layer makes reversaĺ processing very easy as the step i screwed up the most was the bleaching.

[moviemat]

Hi,

What Kind of Chemistry did you use to do the reversal process.
I've used ST8 before but only for printing.
Also I screwed up recently processing 7363 and trying for reversal.

Thanks

Mat

[CineGuerrilha]

the basic stuff

1st dev = d19
bleach (12g K dichro + 10ml H2SO4 in 1l)'

clear
re-exp
D19
ilford hipan

[moviemat]

Thanks

"H2SO4" makes it sound so innocent, almost cute.

Mat

[fritzcarraldo]

hello, i would like to buy some meters of it, i intend to shoot some credits with it, can you email me so i can arrange things with you? you can do it to ricardoleko@yahoo.com.br thanks