Kodachrome S.8 is come back!

[brandon]

The better invertible film of the world finally is returned in the S.8 format. It comes produced regularly in the formats 8mm, double 8mm, double s.8mm and to metr.
From some months he is available also in cartdrige from 15mt. S.8 with the name of Wittnerchrome 40.
http://www.wittner-cinetec.com/katalog/ ... _filmm.php

Memory the main records of the Kodachrome:

films with most high resistance of the colors in the time (the colors are not faded like with all the other films to colors);
highest resolution (advanced to the 250 l/mm);
great humidity resistance (even if conserved in not optimal conditions, of it suffers in measure much inferior regarding the other color films).

Wittner sells and sends all over the world.

Brandon

[aj]

We are already aware of this.

Discussed before and especially attractive to USA filmers as they can have it processed darn cheap at dwayne's. Used to be available in long rolls. Should anybody have a 200ft thingy for his/hers Beaulieu 679/008

Prbably properly lubed aswell as that seems where the real expertise shows...

[greg_8mm]

I'm from the post-kodachrome era (hey, I'm 21 and started shooting super8 after kodak stopped making it) but I was wondering how this stock compares to the vision2 200T stock? What would you say the biggest differences are, image-wise?

[Muckymuck]

I can highly recommend this. It's being sold as a "2008 Special Edition" with an expiry date of 2009. Ran through the camera sweetly as all Wittner films do (I've used 100D and V50D too recently).

Being in the UK, the current exchange rate makes buying Wittner films expensive, but that is offset by the current dollar rate making sending films to Dwaynes for processing very cheap when done in quantity.

For those of you who started in the pre-Kodachrome era, I will not say that Kodachrome is "superior" to current offerings, as that is a matter for individual opinion, however in my experience, Kodachrome does offer finer grained images than Ektachrome 64T (or even a telecine'd Vision 2 200T) and a similar level of saturation and sharpness, but warmer tones. It can also have a tendency towards magenta in low light. In my experience it has similar grain and colour balance as Ektachrome 100D, but is sharper than it.

Hope that's useful. You may wish to type "Kodachrome Super 8" into youtube and see some examples before deciding if it will give you the look you're after.

[cubdukat]

I wish it was in stock earlier. I was hoping to take some of this with me to Los Angeles this week.

My only real concern about using Wittner's K40 is the processing. They may have the rights from Kodak to make the emulsion, but isn't Dwayne's going to be phasing out the processing because Kodak's stopped making the chemicals?

Somebody should definitely talk to Kodak about licensing the formula for K-14 processing so that a third party can make the chemicals. Perhaps they could even make them more enviromentally-friendly; after all, wasn't that one of the reasons Kodak axed K40 apart from the sales?

[brokenflashlight]

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[fairchild]

I cant read german...does this mean i cant buy some?I really would like to try some of these!

[Will2]

Only German speakers are allowed to buy these... it's an EU rule.

Yes you can order them, you probably just want them without processing since you can send them to Dwaynes much quicker than Germany then to Dwaynes then to Germany then to you.

You can email them in English and I'm sure they'll understand you. To state the obvious, We might be 50 States but only about 2 languages whereas Europe is like 50 states with 50 languages; hence more fluency in multiple languages and tolerance for losers like us that can only speak one (except in France where there is less tolerance for us )

Still, at 20 euros a piece, they are a little pricey for us poor U.S. Dollar owners.

[Shanec8mm]

Can someone tell me how much it would cost to ship a Wittner Chrome 40T (cartridge) from Germany to the U.S. ?? I'm not sure how to figure out the price in Euro's LOL. Also is there any U.S. company's that sell Wittner 40T ?? I'd like to try a cart of this stuff since it can be processed at Dwayne's.

Thanks

[Will2]

So you're willing to pay $37 per cartridge PLUS SHIPPING AND $10 PLUS SHIPPING to get it processed?

So $55 or so per cartridge? As much as I love Kodachrome I think I'd just go with Ektachrome 64T for about $28 film, processing & shipping.

I guess you can go through Walmart for $5 on processing but that would work with E64T as well.

[zantizoom8]

My only real concern about using Wittner's K40 is the processing. They may have the rights from Kodak to make the emulsion, but isn't Dwayne's going to be phasing out the processing because Kodak's stopped making the chemicals?

Somebody should definitely talk to Kodak about licensing the formula for K-14 processing so that a third party can make the chemicals. Perhaps they could even make them more enviromentally-friendly; after all, wasn't that one of the reasons Kodak axed K40 apart from the sales?

i didnt know anyone had the rights from kodak to manufacture K40. that may be incorrect.
But, since Dwaynes is the only commercial user of K-14 chemicals, wouldnt that be between Dwaynes and Kodak? a third party manufacturing chemicals for Dwaynes hardly seems profitable enough to justify the start-up expense alone.
seems that when Kodak decides to discontinue a product, thats it. cant see how Kodak would be interested in someone else supporting use of a product they no longer produce or support. the nuisance of calls to customer service would be annoying enough to see it ends. wonder how big a stockpile of K40 carts were destroyed by Kodak when marketing for them ended.
wittner probably bought more kodak stock than they can now expect to sell. when the price for their carts goes up, it means that they arent selling and they will continue to rely on customers who will (if reluctantly) pay whatever price anyway.

we may be lucky enough as it is to be living through the end of the super 8 film era.
since mine is mere speculation and conjecture,
maybe someone with better insight and more knowledge can give a more factual overview. its what makes this board a valued source on such topics that are most interesting and timely to all who are concerned users or even just fascinated followers. at present, i seem to be both, having acquired usable cameras and about a dozen K40 carts of sound and silent with expirations in the 80s and 90s. waiting for the monsoons to end so i can shoot more.

[richard p. t.]

Just as a point of clarity, Wittner certainly aren't manufacturing kodachrome emulsion. They are loading kodak cartridges with kodachrome super 8. The emulsion was manufactured by kodak and kodak alone. Wittner may be loading these from remaining long lengths of super 8 k40 or from DS8 k40. There is a slim chance that the material is ex-35mm ... but I think that is unlikely.
richard

[senna]

Actually they use DS8 Kodachrome 40 Emulsion 7270, which is slightly thicker then the original kodachrome super 8 as you can read on their info page
http://www.wittner-cinetec.com/katalog/ ... /7270.html
Regards,
Tom

[Jim Carlile]

Kodak released their K-14 patent somewhere back in the late 70s, because Fuji got out of the K-compatible business, so there was no need for a proprietary formula any more. The recipe would be in the public domain anyway by now, but it's a complicated multi-step coating process. Supposedly someone in Australia has been home coating K still film but it's just a rumor at this point, teased along by some postings over at Photo-Net.

Kodak still makes 35mm Kodachrome-- "makes" may not be the best word, they've surely long discontinued coating it, so they're using up their frozen rolls at this point and just 'finishing' what they have. Where Dwayne's is getting their chemistry from I'm not too sure about, probably Kodak for some of the more specialized proprietary stuff. There's only a couple of odd things that are hard to get, the rest is pretty basic.

Kodak sold all of their K-14 stock-- they gave everyone about year's notice, as they did with the sound film back in '94 or so. Same thing with the 200' cartridges, of which few were sold per year, at best.

At one time Kodak was coating Kodachrome 24/7/360. At the end it was once a year, for a few hours.

There will be plenty of notice whenever K-14 processing gets eliminated, so don't worry. But--- IMO, give it about a year after the last of the still film is finished.

BTW, Kodachrome can be home processed....it's been done and it used to be a common thing for the big transparencies, back in the old days.

[Jim Carlile]

P.S.-- just a thought. Someone at another site said that Kodak quoted them a price of $4400 for 10,000 feet of E64T, slit and perfed for 16mm. Apparently, Kodak will slit and perf slide film for MP use.

That means that maybe the Wittner Kodachrome is special ordered K slide film, slit and perfed for DS8? Figures. If so-- this means it is indeed real Kodachrome, new-- but with the slightly thicker still-film base. So it is big news-- K is back!