best vision2 stock?

Post by **themagickite** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:59 am

i get the impression 50D is the finest, but i can't imagine it beign very versatile. I'm just interested to see how poeple feel about the vision2 range, what are your preferences and why?

Post by **alex-rus** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:11 am

I heard, that color 50D is better than 200T and 500T.

VISION 2 it is intended for shooting at a daylight, 200T and 500T have wider range of an exposure, under Kodak documentation
I not shoot Vision 2, but I shall soon try 50D, 200T and 500T

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Post by **mattias** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:58 pm

i love the expression 500t. not readily available in s8 and probably too grainy anyway, but in 16mm it's the shit. silky skin tones and smooth shadow detail with natural color and saturation all the way down, almost like fuji. ;-)

here's a clip: http://www.mattias.nu/jagbaraundrar/trailer.html

/matt

Post by **Will2** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:43 pm

Kodak says that 100T is the finest grained film available.

I love 50D in 16mm. Looks almost too good on a sunny day.

Post by **themagickite** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:17 pm

Will2 wrote:Kodak says that 100T is the finest grained film available.

film as in all film ever still/MPF kodak/fuji old/new? or just the vision2 range?
has anyone tried using 100T from pro8mm in S8?

Post by **fogo** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:22 pm

Hi Matt, just to clarify, what stock was used for the clip?
thanks,
ade

Post by **mattias** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:26 pm

vision2 expression 500t. super 16.

/matt

Post by **ccortez** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:58 pm

I've got a few hundred feet of V2 500T in my freezer that I bought for a wedding reception and never shot b/c it was pitch dark in there. In retrospect, I may have had enough light to shoot but I think I got more interested in the very high end wine selection. ;-)

Matt -- do you rate it at 500, or 320?

Post by **Will2** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:05 pm

themagickite wrote:
Will2 wrote:Kodak says that 100T is the finest grained film available.
film as in all film ever still/MPF kodak/fuji old/new? or just the vision2 range?
has anyone tried using 100T from pro8mm in S8?

As in the finest grained motion picture film that Kodak makes. Which probably makes it finer than Fuji but don't quote me.

But at those grain levels it doesn't really matter; as long as it's shot properly you won't notice grain in 16mm or 35mm. Not sure about 8mm.

Website · Post by **tukon4** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:08 am

I just shot my first 100' of 16mm Vision2 50D and had it transfered to DV NTSC without any color correction. It looks very fine grained but the compression to miniDV kind of ruins it.

You can have a look for yourself on YouTube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yZuCjQjIGxs

Camera used: Bell & Howell Filmo 70-DR

Let me know what you think of the video film.

Post by **mattias** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:46 am

ccortez wrote:I've got a few hundred feet of V2 500T

remember, i was talking about the expression. the regular 500t is grainy and has ugly color shifts in the shadows. not even close to being on my list of favorites.

Matt -- do you rate it at 500, or 320?

i've no idea, i was "just" the director. i usually rate it 500, only lower if i need more contrast and saturation but then i would probably pick 200t instead.

/matt

Post by **mattias** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:49 am

tukon4 wrote:the compression to miniDV kind of ruins it.

in what way? dv is harder to color correct and is slightly noisier but in a first generation copy the difference should be impossible to see unless you really look for it.

/matt

Post by **mattias** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:52 am

themagickite wrote:
Will2 wrote:Kodak says that 100T is the finest grained film available.
film as in all film ever still/MPF kodak/fuji old/new?

all film ever. it would be very very hard to avoid getting less grain than old fuji btw, i'm not sure they could even if they tried. :-)

i thought the 50d had less grain, even though the 100t is probably the sharpest.

/matt

Website · Post by **tukon4** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:09 am

in what way? dv is harder to color correct and is slightly noisier but in a first generation copy the difference should be impossible to see unless you really look for it.

/matt

Yep you're right. It looks good played on an NTSC monitor which is what it's meant for.

Post by **toby_tools** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:40 am

tukon4 wrote:I just shot my first 100' of 16mm Vision2 50D and had it transfered to DV NTSC without any color correction. It looks very fine grained but the compression to miniDV kind of ruins it.

You can have a look for yourself on YouTube: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yZuCjQjIGxs

Camera used: Bell & Howell Filmo 70-DR

Let me know what you think of the video film.

Who did the transfer?
It looks like a one light that went wrong to me. Or you overexposed by three stops and this is the corrected result. It looks washed out to me.
You should have a work print made and project it.
If it was exposed correctly your work print will look amazing projected.
A few years ago I almost stopped shooting 16mm film because I kept getting similar results. I tried a new lab and gave a little direction to "Pump up the colors". Night and Day.
Just my thoughts

Toby

Toby