Is this a bad cartridge I see before me?

[BeauTie]

I got a Canon 1014 xl-s awhile ago that has overall performed very well. I shot a few rolls (including one sound roll) just after getting it and it worked beautifully. But there have been two different 64T carts that it has rejected; a few seconds in the auto-stop/jam mechanism kicks in, and the day is over. The first time I came home and put the cart in my Nikon R-10 and it ran normally. I figured it was just a little hang up in the cart. But it happened again yesterday with a brand new one (purchased a couple weeks later). The first cart was there as well, and thinking it had been cured by the R-10, I put it in and yet again the auto-stop halted the movement.
Has anyone noticed any bad 64T cartridges going around?
Or, is my camera messed up? This is the first 1014 xl-s I have used, but I have not heard of them have notoriously low torque.
Oh yes, I can't use the R-10 because the exposure mechanism is no good.
Suggestions?

[Chris-B]

I know a few people like to give the cartridge a little bang on something firm, like a table top, on each side of cartridge before loading. I wouldn't try it on anything too hard like a concrete floor as you my crack or chip the cartridge or damage it some other way.

This supposedly loosens the film inside the cart before you start shooting.
I have started to do this too. I have only had two carts jam and it was Tri-x quite a few years ago now.

Good luck and happy shooting!
Chris.

[S8 Booster]

you will need to take up the slack in the 64 cart before putting it into the 1014 xls otherwise the cam will electronically detect an error.

generally all carts need to verify/take up the slack.

shoot.....

[Shanec8mm]

Can someone explain the procedure for "taking up the slack" ? I had a cart jamm like this, it would stop then start, stop then start a few times.

[richard p. t.]

Try the freshest possible aa batteries in your 1014 and see if that helps. It is not uncommon for a cartridge to work in some cameras and not others. Reason being that the non-transporting cameras don't (or no longer) have the 'grunt' to pull the film through, especially with these slightly thicker slide films being used in Super 8 these days. I see a lot of unfinished and supposedly jamed or faulty cartridges at my lab and by and large I am able to shoot them off in my R10 or other cameras no problem. I have had 4 1014/814xls cameras and never had this problem with them, but this doesn't mean your camera is also up to it. The camera may have done more work or need a service or the motor may be losing it ...

[metaT8]

I've had quite a few problematic 64T carts. Mostly jitter problems till yesterday when I had one jam up completely in my Cannon 814 AZ.

I was shooting 24FPS continuous with the trigger-lock. It stuttered then jammed.

When I attempted to shoot again it would shoot a few more feet then jam up again.

And it does seem to be only happening in my Cannon 814 AZ.

When I got home I put the cart in another camera and it was fine. Then I put it back in the 814 and it jammed again. I then put a cart of Tri-x in the 814 and shot about 20 feet without a problem.

Another note is that I have another 814 and that camera also had jitter problems with 64T.

Even my cheaper Cannon cameras seem to run 64T without a problem. What is it with these higher end Cannons I wonder?

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best regards,

m

[Mitch Perkins]

I know a few people like to give the cartridge a little bang on something firm, like a table top, on each side of cartridge before loading.

I've done this too and it works, though I wait until the cartridge actually jams, since many of them don't. I also wind a bit through by hand after the smack; you can feel it loosen up. In fact if you don't feel it loosen up, it will certainly jam again.

Yes, it looks like the wind becomes uneven on the take-up side, since one can always easily pull film through the "window" with finger friction, but not always easily turn the take-up core. I do believe the take-up clutch on my Nikon Superzoom8 is a tick too slippy...

Mitch

[pbrstreetgang]

I can't use the R-10 because the exposure mechanism is no good.
Suggestions?

can you adjust exposure manually and the red needle move left to right?

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[pbrstreetgang]

sorry not a red needle but a needle nonetheless.

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