Some footage by request

[Will2]

I would think the lab would have to agree to the test before film would be sent. YES'NO?
Or where carts of film just sent out hoping they would come back?
Toby

Wado's point of a more honest test being needed is good. Seems like it would be worth the $200 or so to pay for the processing by all the labs so it could be done anonymously. Honestly though, its hard for me to believe that their processing would be altered that much even when an evaluation they know is being done... obviously Pro8mm didn't give a crap (what's new?) and returned it just as they do everything else.

I should hire you to help me in my work.

Will work for Spirit or Millenium transfers.

[Blue Audio Visual]

I would think the lab would have to agree to the test before film would be sent. YES'NO?
Or where carts of film just sent out hoping they would come back?
Toby

You made my point, I need more information about the whole "lab test" thing.

This whole issue was discussed at the time that the article was first published. viewtopic.php?t=16932&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Therein lies the flaw in your testing procedure. The best way to have gone about it would have been NOT to have told the labs what you were doing. You stated in your article that when you viewed the results you did not know whose film you were watching (obviously the correct thing to do), but by letting the labs know that the films were sent for a comparative test you introduced a significant bias into the test which made it entirely unscientific.

Juergen printed my reply above in his magazine as if I had written it as a 'letter to the editor' rather than as a late night dipsomaniac rant on the internet. Not that I mind, good luck to him & to his excellent publication. Juergen (very reasonably) pointed out that they could not afford to do otherwise:

smallformat is not as big and financially strong that we would have been able to make the test in the way you suggested it. We payed for 15 cartridges E64T and for the one way shipping - more than 500 Euro. We are not able to pay for the processing and the shipping back - this was the part of the lab. And 13 of 15 did it this way.

I think, the testing situation was all the same for the 15 labs, so this was fine. It was the only possibility to do this test at all. We need more support by readers (subscriptions) and advertisers to make a complete independant and anonym test.

AJ/Andre's point was that Wado1942 was being somewhat disingenuous in implying that his recollection of the test was merely casual (despite the fact that he had uploaded it to his own webspace). In that respect I've got to agree with AJ (sorry Wado!).

Back OT, I thought that the footage was excellent, although the link no longer seems to work for me. I was impressed that I could clearly read the Rickenbacker logo on the headstock of the guy's guitar. I would be proud to upload S8 footage as good as that, and I look forward to seeing more.

C'mon Wado, f*** the rest of them, upload the whole shoot. Please?

Bart

[Mitch Perkins]

Somebody at a commercial shoot I did Monday asked me about some Super-Duper-8 I shot so I'm posting it here for all to see.
I shot Kodak Vision2 100T at 24fps with about a 45 degree shutter angle F2 and no filters. I had one of the two companies I've found that can accommodate the wider frame to transfer the film via modified Rank Turbo to MiniDV. They did an anamorphic transfer so if watched on a widescreen TV, it would look normal and fill almost the whole screen. I've done no manipulation in post production except to remove the 3:2 pulldown and 7.5ire setup needed for NTSC playback. I also converted the 1.212 aspect to square pel so it will view on a computer properly. You can see the native aspect ratio of S-D-8 is about 1.53:1. I encoded the file at 1Mbps to preserve as much of the original quality as possible for this demonstration. Some of you have seen the intro to my music video in an earlier post, this is from the middle of it.
http://www.gcmstudio.com/videoonly/sd8demo.wmv

Wow!

Wow!

Really solid image characteristics ~:?) , great post.

As for flame wars, my mom always said - don't rise to the bait...~:?)

Mitch

[mattias]

7.5ire setup needed for NTSC playback

you're not supposed to do that. most codecs, including dv and blackmagic, use 0 black, the setup is added by the deck or card. you certianly shouldn't use setup in any computer format like wmv.

/matt