Warning! Fraudulent Ebay Ad for Beaulieu 6008S

Post by **Elmogs** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:02 pm

Hi All. Just wanted to point out a fraudulent Ebayer who is using my photos from a previous auction I had in 2004. The seller has a standard Beaulieu 6008S Camera but has nicked my picture of the Beaulieu 6008S MD with the Angenieux 6-80mm 1.2 lens. I emailed the seller to cease and desist since A) that's my picture B) his ad is misleading since the lens on his is the 6-70 Schneider. Also the pistol grip is longer on the MD model and his is the standard grip. He has not responded at all.
Just letting everyone here know so they don't think its a diamond in the rough. My camera was rare. That one is a dime a dozen.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=008

Post by **MovieStuff** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:29 pm

You should also let ebay know.

Roger

Post by **DriveIn** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:02 pm

..and that same old question is in my mind. WTF is so difficult that people can't take a photo of the stuff they are selling. Lazy good for nothings spend more time stealing a photo than just taking one... My rant for the day. :evil:

Post by **Elmogs** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:38 pm

I did inform Ebay. Here is the reply:

"Thank you for writing eBay in regard to your concerns involving our Item
Description and Picture Theft Policy.

That said, unfortunately it appears that the item numbers you have
submitted to us for comparison purposes are outside of the 90 days in
which items exist in our database. Once an item is older than 90 days,
it is removed automatically and is unviewable. In order for us to act
upon your report, we need item numbers of your own which started within
the last 90 days, before the listings in question, and containing the
original materials.

It is my pleasure to assist you. Thank you for choosing eBay.

Sincerely,"

Assisting me in what? Making me more aggravated? Sheesh!

Post by **wado1942** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:35 am

Lazy good for nothings spend more time stealing a photo than just taking one

The sole reason I even own a digital camera. Yeah, Ebay is completely worthless when it comes to violations. I'm out $50 on a projector because the seller never shipped it and Ebay won't do anything other than send them an E-mail.

Post by **camera8mm** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 1:39 am

what are the legal matters concerning why ebay wont post items 90 days old?
i'm sure its a database issue, but legally, its probably otherise.

Post by **Jim Carlile** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:11 am

wado1942 wrote:
Lazy good for nothings spend more time stealing a photo than just taking one
The sole reason I even own a digital camera. Yeah, Ebay is completely worthless when it comes to violations.

Unless you're a buyer. Then they go after you for defaulting. But they blatantly protect sellers. Won't do a thing.

I'm out $50 on a projector because the seller never shipped it and Ebay won't do anything other than send them an E-mail.

If you sent it by U.S. Mail, contact the postal inspector. It's their jurisdiction, and they will take action. It's postal fraud on the part of the seller.

Post by **jpolzfuss** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 10:47 am

DriveIn wrote:..and that same old question is in my mind. WTF is so difficult that people can't take a photo of the stuff they are selling.

Because they don't own the stuff they're trying to sell and hence can't take a photo of their non-existent goods :?: :!: :roll:

:lol:

Post by **MovieStuff** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:03 pm

Jim Carlile wrote:
wado1942 wrote:
Lazy good for nothings spend more time stealing a photo than just taking one
The sole reason I even own a digital camera. Yeah, Ebay is completely worthless when it comes to violations.
Unless you're a buyer. Then they go after you for defaulting. But they blatantly protect sellers. Won't do a thing..

I disagree. I have had 3 different ebay sellers shut down for fraud. But I will say that navigating ebay's complaint department isn't intuitive or easy. It is poorly designed, for sure. Of course, one problem that ebay faces is that setting up a new account is so easy, once someone is shut down for fraud, they are back up within 2 hours. Not much ebay can do about that, which might make them feel like "what's the point."

Jim Carlile wrote:
I'm out $50 on a projector because the seller never shipped it and Ebay won't do anything other than send them an E-mail.
If you sent it by U.S. Mail, contact the postal inspector. It's their jurisdiction, and they will take action. It's postal fraud on the part of the seller.

It's not that easy, believe me. You have to prove your case before they'll do anything. You can prove you sent money but only if you used a tracked service like Express Mail or a Registered letter. If you just send payment with a stamp and envelope, the Postal Service is even less responsive than ebay because you have no proof of sending payment. A cashed check would be considered proof of payment, for sure, but it doesn't prove that you used the Postal Service to send the check. Years ago I had to try and get satisfaction from someone in another state because I sent payment and they didn't ship and it was a huge nightmare that ultimately cost me more in time than the item in question and I never did get my money back. The postal service is more poorly run than ebay, so I would not get my hope up to much.

Roger

Post by **wado1942** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:41 pm

If you sent it by U.S. Mail, contact the postal inspector. It's their jurisdiction, and they will take action. It's postal fraud on the part of the seller.

It's rather a moot point, I sent the payment through Paypal...I've already gone through their dispute workflow and they're every bit as uselesss as Ebay.

Post by **DriveIn** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:55 pm

wado1942 wrote:
If you sent it by U.S. Mail, contact the postal inspector. It's their jurisdiction, and they will take action. It's postal fraud on the part of the seller.
It's rather a moot point, I sent the payment through Paypal...I've already gone through their dispute workflow and they're every bit as uselesss as Ebay.

eBay and PayPal are one and the same, including the poor customer service and support. It's easy for them to pass on helping people, um...excuse me... members. :roll: They create the rules that have such gaping flaws. They use the gaping flaws they created and allowed to pass the responsibility back to the member to prove their case, and they are well aware of the flaws they have created which they do not hesitate to use as a matter of policy. Since you are nothing but a member to them, they will view you as such, not as a customer. As long as you are a revenue generating member they will listen, but if there is no money to be made you are simply passed over as an annoyance. IMHO :!: I noticed new members registering as sellers are now required to accept PayPal or one of the other limited choices they offer. It's not an option for membership on eBay if you want to sell, you are required to have a paypal, bidpay or whatever the other choice is in order to create a seller account.

Post by **MovieStuff** » Fri Aug 17, 2007 6:05 pm

DriveIn wrote: eBay and PayPal are one and the same, including the poor customer service and support.

What's interesting is that PayPal is owned by ebay but while ebay customer support is just dreadful, I have always found PayPal to be very responsive. I know there are people that tell sad tales about PayPal taking their money or whatever but we have run, literally, millions though PayPal over the last 6 years with zero problems, in terms of their customer support. Ebay, on the other hand, is like a horrific maze that you step into with no way out. Like I say, I have achieved results with ebay's customer service but it wasn't as easy as it should have been, IHMO.

Roger

Post by **flatwood** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:40 pm

Last month I filed for a refund through Paypal and got it no problem. It was for a small amount though - $35.00.

Post by **nonkjo** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:48 pm

wado1942 wrote:
If you sent it by U.S. Mail, contact the postal inspector. It's their jurisdiction, and they will take action. It's postal fraud on the part of the seller.
It's rather a moot point, I sent the payment through Paypal...I've already gone through their dispute workflow and they're every bit as uselesss as Ebay.

I bought a rare snowboard on eBay, used Paypal. I never received the item. eBay was no help and Paypal kept giving the the runaround. I finally got fed up and called Bank of America and reported it as a fraudulent charge. I explained the situation to them and they credited my account for the purchase.

Just because Paypal acts as a middleman doesn't mean you still aren't protected by whoever issued the card you use. You bank likely has much more muscle in dealing with Paypal than you so why not use that if someone tries to rip you off. Paypal will pay it more than just lip service to customer care when you do.

Post by **MovieStuff** » Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:49 pm

nonkjo wrote: I bought a rare snowboard on eBay, used Paypal. I never received the item. eBay was no help and Paypal kept giving the the runaround. I finally got fed up and called Bank of America and reported it as a fraudulent charge. I explained the situation to them and they credited my account for the purchase.

Just because Paypal acts as a middleman doesn't mean you still aren't protected by whoever issued the card you use. You bank likely has much more muscle in dealing with Paypal than you so why not use that if someone tries to rip you off. Paypal will pay it more than just lip service to customer care when you do.

If you had a friend that bought something across town and offered to pay you to take his check to the store while you were out shopping and pick up his item, you'd never agree to cover his debt if it turned out that his check was bad nor would you agree to provide the item at your own loss to your friend if it turned out the store didn't have it as promised. You're just the delivery guy. You have no stake in the transaction other than if your friend paid you to be the delivery guy. And if you did your job as the delivery guy, I don't think you'd want to give your fee back just because your friend or the store didn't hold up their part of the transaction.

You did the right thing by contacting your bank and having them deal with the problem. PayPal is nothing more than a money transfer service. Like having your own personal Western Union that you can fund from a variety of money sources. If the money source turns out to be bad, PayPal is not going to cover the hit, nor should they. Likewise, if you pay for something like a snowboard that the seller doesn't deliver, PayPal isn't going to buy you a new snowboard.

Overall, I think that PayPal does a pretty good job of keeping it together, considering how many members it has to deal with on a daily basis. As I say, we've had no problems at all. Ebay, on the other hand, is a mess.

Roger