should kodak replace 64t with 100d in super 8?

[super8er]

not like this will ever happen but how many people here think it should,for the good of the super 8 community perhaps.

[Muckymuck]

Yes! It has low grain and bright colours. Ektachrome 64T is nice if you want it to look grainy but there are more benefits to Ektachrome 100D like the fact that it can be used in way more cameras than Ektachrome 64T and many people want their colour films to look like the old Kodachrome did.

It's a shame that 'have both' is an idealistic not realistic option. I cannot see what the problem would be with changing it, all they would have to do is put 100D instead of 64T in the splitting/perfing machine and change the 64T lettering to 100D on the computer programme which prints the boxes! Easy! It is probably a fact that Kodak would sell more film this way.

[Angus]

The problem is that decsions have to be made, and in a big company that me ans lots of people have to be involved and consulted....and they'd feel a need to redesign the box and cart label.

In the end they'd probably spend tens of thousands on it...and for a product that is a tiny blip on their radar...its simply not worth it...even swapping 100D for 64T...

[wado1942]

I think 100D would be fine for outdoors but would be useless indoors. I'd rather have 100T and 64D. Actually, I'd rather they make a T-grain version of Kodachrome 40 using a polyestar base. That film would look great and would last hundreds of years. I've never been impressed with the way ANY Ektachrome has looked.

While I'm on a rant, why do they make 200T and 500T in super-8? If anything, I'd think they would want 50D and 200T.

[super8er]

I think 100D would be fine for outdoors but would be useless indoors.

i disagree, just filter 3400k photoflood lights with 80a light filters,put them over the lights not on the camera lens. that way the light loss would not be as significant, and the right color temperature would be had.

[reflex]

Kodak's current lineup is just fine. Deleting E-64T at this point would simply cause confusion.

It makes far more sense for third-party manufacturers to step up to the plate and deliver 100D - it it good to have more than one source of Super 8 material, just in case...

[BigBeaner]

Where do you guys buy 100D?

[T-Scan]

Without a doubt! Why? Because 100D looks 10 times better than 64T. 64T is too slow for tungston, where 200T and 500T are amazing. Realistically, why sacrafice having an amazing film like 100D, for the sole purposes of 64T's limited and virtually useless tungston abilities when there are at least three other great options? Kodak is not going to introduce any new or reformulated reversals, and if we can have only one color reversal... may it be the best!

[steve hyde]

Without a doubt! Why? Because 100D looks 10 times better than 64T. 64T is too slow for tungston, where 200T and 500T are amazing. Realistically, why sacrafice having an amazing film like 100D, for the sole purposes of 64T's limited and virtually useless tungston abilities when there are at least three other great options? Kodak is not going to introduce any new or reformulated reversals, and if we can have only one color reversal... may it be the best!

I totally agree. 64T is too slow for tungsten. The stuff was made for shutter controlled still photography: e.g. product shots, architectural, copy work etc.
It is not a motion picture film and I have no intention of ever using it on a project. Velvia and 100D are better color reversal films because they are vivid saturation films that render ultra color and they are daylight balanced for outdoor shooting.

My next super 8 color reversals will be purchased from Spectra. That is clearly the best color reversal option for super 8 right now..

Steve

[Angus]

Most Europeans buy their 100D super 8 from Wittner Kinotechnik in Germany...that's where I got mine...

Spectra seems to be the USA company repackaging it in super 8.

[mattias]

100d is great for indoors. you don't have to gel the windows, a major plus, and since you need huge lights for low asa anyway you might as well use a few more watts and a filter. 1/2 or 3/4 ctb is often enough and that means you only lose a stop, making this stock as fast as k40 under tungsten.

and it's a myth that hmi's and kinos are out of the amateur's price range. just rent them as you need them. you most likely can't afford to buy a real redhead kit either.

/matt

[AMAT0R]

Definitely 100D. 64T will also available from Wittner or Spectra.

[filmamigo]

Both! Why confuse the market? Killing a film stock will ALWAYS result in bad publicity -- no matter what it is replaced with.

When Kodak killed K40 (which was far more understandable) the general press and public attitude was "Kodak is killing Super 8" and there was no mention of the new stocks. No need for another round of "Super 8 is dead" press just because a poorly received stock is getting the axe.

Besides, I would use both. E64T looks nice -- under tungsten light. Use the right stock for the right conditions.

E100D is too good an opportunity to pass up. It looks great. And Kodak really needs a colour stock that is compatible with most of those cameras out there. Especially with cameras being a non-renewable resource, it's a shame that so many potential cameras sit idle because 64T isn't compatible.

[steve hyde]

100d is great for indoors. you don't have to gel the windows, a major plus, and since you need huge lights for low asa anyway you might as well use a few more watts and a filter. 1/2 or 3/4 ctb is often enough and that means you only lose a stop, making this stock as fast as k40 under tungsten.

and it's a myth that hmi's and kinos are out of the amateur's price range. just rent them as you need them. you most likely can't afford to buy a real redhead kit either.

/matt

Yeah, here in the US we have a nice option from the corporate empire "Home Depot". For 11.00USD one can buy ceramic-based clamp-on 500wt work lamps that huck quite a bit of light. With 100D I imagine daylight photo floods on these lamps would be a great indoor option with daylight balanced Super 8 films for the no-budget project

Steve

[T-Scan]

64T is too slow for tungsten. The stuff was made for shutter controlled still photography: e.g. product shots, architectural, copy work etc.

Exactly! I also see using 100D for day lit interiors a lot more than I would ever think of using 64T for tungston lit or day lit interiors. And I just can't see any situation where 64T would be my choice over 200T or 500T in tungston. I'll be getting my color reversal from Spectra now as well.