250-500 people pay for new super8 camera over 12 months...

Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri May 23, 2003 7:18 pm

Agree with Roger.

The cam you want is already there: 24P HD if you can only chew the medium called "electronic image storaging".

Jean-Luc Goddard said: Film is truth 24 times a second.
Well, it can easily be done on video as well!

9 out of 10 (or so) of your cam spec-specs are not really film related!

WhatÃ‚Â´s the problem of threading a film spool? Pure joy if you ask me - especially when the runtime is vastly extended compared to S8 carts.

R

Post by **ericMartinJarvies** » Fri May 23, 2003 7:43 pm

jean,

thanks for the dignified response! it will no doubt be nice to lock into a grove of like-minded individuals who do not attack me, or others, for simply expresing themselves, be it trivial or otherwise. nothing is at stake here. no one is being enslaved by the other members. people are sharing information, or sharing inspiration. people will spend more time and negative nergy telling another member what they do not like about them, then what they do like about them. i mean, i do not think anyone should be sensored from speaking their mind, but is there not a differance between speaking your mind and attacking another?

well, the topic and conversation of making a new camera was not intended to dictate or mandate or impose sanctions on anyone here using this site. it was not implied or otherwise that anyone would be obligated to buy one of these cameras, or otherwise. it was not a request to have people bash or attack other people. it was just a topic of conversation and debate. not an open inventation to impose anyones ideals on anyone else. and it was certainly not about making or forcing people. kepe it nice, opinions and expresions are sharing. no need to force them upon others.

Post by **mattias** » Fri May 23, 2003 7:55 pm

ericMartinJarvies wrote:it will no doubt be nice to lock into a grove of like-minded individuals who do not attack me, or others, for simply expresing themselves, be it trivial or otherwise.

that's hilarious. you're totally unaware of how that very post was on obvious attack, aren't you?

/matt

Post by **ericMartinJarvies** » Fri May 23, 2003 8:27 pm

no, i did not mean it or write is as an attack. i wrote it with the thoughts that those who can converse and make posative instead of negative togther, will be nice. i was referring to like-minded as those who can get int othe same groove or flow of thought and start a posative thread as such. it seems there is always someone who has to post a reply that breaks the spirit of the topic. it just seems rude and thoughtless that 'some' folks spend time doing such things.

but i see your point, and i just want you to know that i did 'not' have in mind when writing that sentence that the like-minded people were in any way better or worse then any other like-minded group/formation. otherwise, i problably would have resorted to some of my older posts that referred to others as 'sheep to slaughter' or 'rivtheads' or 'gnomes' or 'braindead idiots' or the like. but again, the point i was trying to make was if someone is just going to clog the thread with negative posts, they should go and post with other negative people, or those who enjoy combative dialoge. and again, i am not saying that is a bad thing, just saying that is not for me, and i did not ask for it in my topic

in other words ... post replies to topics that are of interest to you(you meaning anyone). if you find a topic that you find foolish or disagree with in principal, why wallow in it? its liek the coffe calling the kettle black.

Post by **Ambervision** » Fri May 23, 2003 9:37 pm

I don't think the camera upgrade feature is bad. Certainly many of the features eric presents are found on every large-scale feature/commercial. And as for the HD 24p, Roger is absolutely correct. And the Panasonic has all of the features that eric wishes to apply to a super8 camera.

Please excuse my memory lapse, but I agree with one post that ultimatley considers eric's original proposal of funding such an endeavor. I don't think there enough people willing to invest in this project. However, if you were to get a featured director to use the upgrade, you might create broad-based interest. But then again, it all comes down to the format and not the peripheral features associated with the camera.

I just got off a

Post by **Ambervision** » Fri May 23, 2003 9:42 pm

....uh, yeah...I don't know what just happened. Anyway, I just got off a Schepesi shoot. Eric, you might be surprised how little things have changed in the world of big-budget film making (except for cgi/action films, etc.). There are still only a handful of people that actually make the movie. And they still use clappers w/chalk, a continuity person takes notes...and I think there is a certain skill and art to all of these parts. They are all creative in one way or another. And they use lots of video for rehearsing shots and of course for playback. And of course, sound is synched in post.

Sounds pro union, yeah?

Post by **guest from Japan** » Fri May 23, 2003 10:06 pm

taking pictures by digital camera is really good for the continuity work.

Post by **Kaberthur** » Sat May 24, 2003 12:16 am

To be the perfect S8 cameras, Beaulieus 4008 would just need :
- The highly regretted report of aperture value in the viewfinder
- Having a decent manual aperture control : this ring is a s..t !
- XL feature : 1/90 is too short, even a cheap plastic Bauer does better in low light.
- Sound...
- And if possible, a slightly more readable viewfinder, but still optical.
Waiting for the ZM6,
Bert

Post by **paulcotto** » Sat May 24, 2003 12:36 am

Eric,

I wonder if it would be better to develop a version of the ikonoskop for DS8. I would supply the film on 100' spools

The you could shoot in sync on DS8 with a brand new camera!!! It would be light weight and cheap to shoot with due to the economy of DS8 film. There would not need to be a lengthy development time. I think it would be a perfect development.

Regards,
Paul Cotto

Post by **schvatz** » Sat May 24, 2003 1:16 am

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH YADA YADA YADA YADA YADA TO THE WHOLE LOT OF YOU! I am sick and tired of this pointless , useless, mindless diatribe that never ends. Live today and stop worrying about tomorrow because what you do now is tomorrow. You guys are so intense in your debates about film versus video that you are not enjoying the present opportunity to enjoy your beloved film. Who knows what the future markets will bear out? These things are always fickle and unpredicatable now matter what kind of logic is used. The most predictable thing that any of us can risk affirming is that this will at least be available as a cottage industry which has already been witnessed in some respects. Moviestuff is a perfect example of this. Paul Cotto's idea about a film perfing machine is another good example. Get over it already and start talking about your experiences with super 8 in the present tense!
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH YADA YADA YADA YADA YADA -the same old shit day in and day out -I am so sick of this stupid bull shit!!!!!

Post by **schvatz** » Sat May 24, 2003 1:19 am

" I think that I will be around when the new genration of the human species is produced and I will look just as good and perform just as well and I am going to sit here my whole life arguing my point instead of living "-WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH!!!!!

Post by **schvatz** » Sat May 24, 2003 1:26 am

You are all a bunch of arm chair ( or shoot I say computer screen mesmerized) filmmakers who need to get off your computer chair potato ass and live your passions instead of arguing them. "my religion is better than your religion and my god is better than your god and just to prove that to you we are going to fly your jumbo jets into your too massive towers and take them down killing many innocent people in the name of Alah". ME ME ME ME ME MINE MINE MINE MINE WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!" "We'll just waste lives and others just to prove our point." Guess what? Those nine virgin super 8 cameras won't be up there in heaven awaiting you eager filmmakers. Sorry someone misinformed you!

Post by **schvatz** » Sat May 24, 2003 1:29 am

Airplanes into the twin towers? would't it have been easier to tity fuck and American woman just to show her that you also had the goods? No instead you had to choose those concrete fallic symbols and that bad boy 747 pocket rocket.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Sat May 24, 2003 1:40 am

Yowza yowza yowza.

To part of your mmm..... statements I can only say that I try to focus on this all the time: (The eternal S8 disease which makes the nicest format smother away)

A little less conversation, a little more action please

R

Post by **ericMartinJarvies** » Sat May 24, 2003 7:09 am

paul,

i bought this mattebox system from cavison a couple months back, and it works fine with my 4008zm, however, the 7008pro has that large handle/battery poking out in front, and does not allow it to mount on this particular mattebox. i am heavily invested in the mattebox because i have 4x4 filter set, etc. etc. so that basically was just one more reason to make the move to 16mm. i had to remove the handle fro mthe R16 to make it work with the mattebox, and had t mve some brackets to the bottom side of hte rods, and i will need ot make some other small mods for the tripod mount not to interefere with the changes i had to make. i want to setup a video feed and lcd on this mattebox like you have done with your super8 cameras.

i have received 2 batches of processed and telecined film back to me in the past few months of shooting(30+ rolls), and do not have a miniDV to play the tapes(argg), however, i viewed by hand all of the film, and compared the slateboard text with my notepad text to determine what shots worked well with given lenses and filters and filmstocks etc. so i think i am ready to start shooting 16mm film, and just using my super8 for my home movies. when i get into making posts regarding making a new super8 camera, it is just conversation, and whatever does and does not manifest remains to be told on a daily basis. like your video tap. idea yesterday, reality today. i do not write those ideas to create a stir or argument, they are for fun ... just so you and others know that so it is not taken too seriously and blown out of context.

some people make mention that we should get off our asses and shot some film. well, you can only shoot so many rolls per day/week. i try to shoot a roll a day and a roll in the night. and even then the costs rise and rise. so for those who keep saying t stop writing posts about how cameras can be and instead go out and shoot film ... my answer to that is; give me more money to buy more film and i will shoot even more!! if not, i will shot the film i can afford, no more and no less

anyways, a few members have expressed interest in my 7008pro and sync'd sont cassette recorder ... i will make a post to see if anyone is interested prior to posting on ebay.

eric.