Don't kill me, but I had an idea.....

Post by **MovieStuff** » Fri May 23, 2003 2:53 pm

Okay, so I was playing around with some CCD imaging chip sets the other day and got the notion of putting one in my Elmo 1012XLS. I just held it in place but, man, did it ever look good. Sharp and clear. Still looked like video but it got me to thinking.....

So I looked around on the internet for some progressive scan chips that could be triggered externally. This is heresy, I know, but my idea is to create a super 8 size cart with a 24P imaging chip that records a string of individual images that can be recorded to a standard 1 gig micro drive like a digital camera uses. It would be self contained and should hold enough for about, surprise, 2.5 minutes at 24fps. Then the cart could be downloaded to a portable hard drive or laptop and used over or another micro drive could be inserted into the cart.

Okay, so there's my idea. Now you guys can beat me to death.

Roger

Post by **rhcvatni** » Fri May 23, 2003 3:05 pm

That sounds like fun!

I just take my hat off to people who can do stuff. I'm a product of an undereducated, lazy and ignorant generation, and even though I know alot more about "things" than alot of people my age, I just don't know anything.

It just sounds like fun Roger. What do you think it would cost for you to make one even one of those, if you ever go through with it.

Post by **vidwerk** » Fri May 23, 2003 3:10 pm

Hey Roger;
Anytime you want to use any of us as a guinea pig for one of your creations, just say the word.
Simon. :idea:

Post by **paul** » Fri May 23, 2003 3:17 pm

Sounds fun to me too. That way one could take advantage of real lenses. But, don't beat ME to death for asking stupid questions, what would the avantages be in terms of compression formats when the images are recorded on a hard disk directly????

Post by **Angus** » Fri May 23, 2003 3:58 pm

It sounds like fun rather than Roger the heretic

What you're doing is giving your CCD chip a decent set of lenses. Are you using the S8 camera's shutter or leaving it open?

It's interesting because I feel much more comfortable with my favourite cine cameras than with video cameras...if I had a S8 cart sized ccd capture device I could shoot videos with my 'comfortable' Elmo super 110.

Hee hee......a USB compatible super 8 camera

lol...

Post by **rhcvatni** » Fri May 23, 2003 4:13 pm

What's really interresting about this is that the day a new and better chip comes out, you simply buy a new cart and not a new camera. Maybe there could be lots of different carts(stocks) with different ccd's that had their own carracteristic look. The fact the it wouldn't touch tape is also a very good point. If there was some kind of way to put a firewire plug on it or the camera one could output straight to a computer or in some way straight to a firewire hard drive or an Ipod even. It should be able to record sound as well. Hmm.........fun!!!!

Post by **paul** » Fri May 23, 2003 4:22 pm

What's really interresting about this is that the day a new and better chip comes out, you simply buy a new cart and not a new camera.

Yes, yes... Brilliant!!!

Post by **MovieMaker** » Fri May 23, 2003 5:27 pm

That reminds me a little bit of the Beaulieu "CineVideo" system I read about in the mag "Schmalfilm" a few years ago. The system was presented at the "Photokina" in Cologne where there was a device attached to a 6008 (or 7008) and the user could choose between doing shots on film for important stuff and shooting video for the rest.

Wonder what happened to this. Maybe I can find the article in my chaos again. They praised it as the end of the long fight between film and videographers.

MovieMaker

Post by **mathis** » Fri May 23, 2003 5:49 pm

actually that sounds great! after years shooting video i did my my first shots with a super8 camera and i immediatly fell so much in love with the handling. to choose if i shoot on film or on video through the same camera would be fantastic.

Post by **Nick** » Fri May 23, 2003 6:37 pm

Roger,

Great idea. Do you have an old S8 cam with interchangable lenses, like a Leica or Nalcom, because then you could change out the ccd with your cartridge and change the lens too.

You could have different ccd's for different video styles and a lens change too.

Cheers,
Nick

Post by **guest from Japan** » Fri May 23, 2003 6:51 pm

Panasonic will produce SPD camcorder next year.
SPD card is made of 4 x 1GB SD cards and the size of SPD card is the same as PC card.
http://www.videojournal.co.jp/vj/img/on ... 061_06.jpg
http://www.videojournal.co.jp/vj/img/on ... 061_07.jpg

Post by **Lucas Lightfeat** » Fri May 23, 2003 6:57 pm

Good idea Roger...

I've thought of some potential issues for you to consider:

1.) If the camera's not crystal synced, the shutter and the scan of the chip (24P) would almost immediately lose synchronisation, which would...well, it wouldn't work, would it?

2.) Even with a crystal synced camera, how would the shutter and chip synchronise the frame and "pulldown" sequence?

3.) How would you know how to set the apperture? I guess the notching system could be used to indicate the sensitivity of the chip, no?

Anyway, all resolveable, I'm sure. You may well have thought about these things already...

Lucas

Post by **ericMartinJarvies** » Fri May 23, 2003 8:40 pm

i think its a great idea. so would you remove the shutter all together? also, would the chip take up the entire gate?

Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri May 23, 2003 8:41 pm

Always wondered how that might look like.

Anyway - have you checked the chip size of 1/4"? 6.35mm diagonal? vs 5.6mm width for S8.

Focus problem of course.

MovieMaker

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That reminds me a little bit of the Beaulieu "CineVideo" system I read about in the mag "Schmalfilm" a few years ago. The system was presented at the "Photokina" in Cologne where there was a device attached to a 6008 (or 7008) and the user could choose between doing shots on film for important stuff and shooting video for the rest.

Wonder what happened to this. Maybe I can find the article in my chaos again. They praised it as the end of the long fight between film and videographers.

MovieMaker

I saw this system advertized in the mid 80Ã‚Â´s or something and wondered where it went. So my memory was not totally off-line after all

I did post a question about this on this board earlier but no one recognized it.

R

Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri May 23, 2003 8:54 pm

guest from Japan wrote:Panasonic will produce SPD camcorder next year.
SPD card is made of 4 x 1GB SD cards and the size of SPD card is the same as PC card.
http://www.videojournal.co.jp/vj/img/on ... 061_06.jpg
http://www.videojournal.co.jp/vj/img/on ... 061_07.jpg

Can you post some more details about this camera?

R