16 mm and 8 mm Films. Sixteen millimetre and super 8 films should be lubricated after processing with film cleaner. Films destined for continuous projection as endless loops or cartridges do require additional lubrication to provide slippage between film convolutions. Please refer to Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers Recommended Practice RP 48-1990, Lubrication of 16 mm and 8 mm Motion Picture Prints, and SMPTE RP 151-1989, Lubrication of 35 mm Motion Picture Prints for Projection.
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8/16mm Film lube info - Kodak / SMPTE
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Ludwig
Lubrication
Hello.
There are two differnt things, you have to notice, when lubricating films. First : If you want to project the film and this more than 1 x
lubrication helps to preserve the film in the projection. Second :
If you will use your color or black&white material for very long
time, lubrication can causes effect to vinegar syndrom. Kodak
had published, that any kind of lubrication or chemical treatment
of acetate material can force the vinegar syndrom.
So you have to elect.
Kindly regards
There are two differnt things, you have to notice, when lubricating films. First : If you want to project the film and this more than 1 x
lubrication helps to preserve the film in the projection. Second :
If you will use your color or black&white material for very long
time, lubrication can causes effect to vinegar syndrom. Kodak
had published, that any kind of lubrication or chemical treatment
of acetate material can force the vinegar syndrom.
So you have to elect.
Kindly regards
I think that Ludwig is absolutely right.
Everybody defends lubricating when you projects movies until it loses its flexibility. But how many of you do it? (And I would like to know why, because I'd rather see them in a big TV or thru a DVD player and a LCD projector). And definitely, lubricating won't help they last more when they are kept stored (I'm talking about all kinds of oils). If you are not going to project them why would you do it? What will keep them as new is correct temperature, low humidity, horizontally stored and tightly rolled. Lubricating won't help to recover what time did. Damages are forever, unless you copy them.
Everybody defends lubricating when you projects movies until it loses its flexibility. But how many of you do it? (And I would like to know why, because I'd rather see them in a big TV or thru a DVD player and a LCD projector). And definitely, lubricating won't help they last more when they are kept stored (I'm talking about all kinds of oils). If you are not going to project them why would you do it? What will keep them as new is correct temperature, low humidity, horizontally stored and tightly rolled. Lubricating won't help to recover what time did. Damages are forever, unless you copy them.
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Dont´t dare to touch
my precious films with any sort of chemical liquid anyway until they go jerky in the proj.
So far they have not in 20 years. I store them mostly in the Bonum reel/boxes with an enviroment control "climatic capsule" inserted which seem to keep the films in an excellent shape.
The lubrication might only be a problem if the film is cleaned for sound striping and thus might need re-lubricating after that but I have no experience with that myself.
Personally I belive that lack of lubrication of projectors (technical - not film path) is a much bigger problem over time than the film lube issue.
RGDS
So far they have not in 20 years. I store them mostly in the Bonum reel/boxes with an enviroment control "climatic capsule" inserted which seem to keep the films in an excellent shape.
The lubrication might only be a problem if the film is cleaned for sound striping and thus might need re-lubricating after that but I have no experience with that myself.
Personally I belive that lack of lubrication of projectors (technical - not film path) is a much bigger problem over time than the film lube issue.
RGDS
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Ekatchrome
I have an insert from an old cartridge of Ektachrome 160 that says "avoid using cleaners containing alcohol, as they may remove some of the color." does anyone know if this is still true for modern ektachrome? If so then alcohol may not be a good thing to clean ektachrome films with.
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Ludwig
Hello.
Any kind of Alcohol causes effects of Base side or Emulsion side,
especially the color fading. But not for 1 or 2 treatments. There
are only 2-3 liquids, that are with low effects when often clean
or wash your films. All are FCKW or CKW and not easy to buy
and use. (10 years ago no problem)
So if you clean your film carefully and be sure, that film are
dry when winding onto your reel, there cannot much happen.
Kindly regards
Ludwig
Any kind of Alcohol causes effects of Base side or Emulsion side,
especially the color fading. But not for 1 or 2 treatments. There
are only 2-3 liquids, that are with low effects when often clean
or wash your films. All are FCKW or CKW and not easy to buy
and use. (10 years ago no problem)
So if you clean your film carefully and be sure, that film are
dry when winding onto your reel, there cannot much happen.
Kindly regards
Ludwig
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wyattali@concentric.net
lubrication
Perhaps my memory is failing, but I could sweat I tried cleaning one of my films with ISOPROPOL and I trashed it.
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"Mystery" Formulas of Film Cleaners/Lubricants?
There has to be something that is available at any store (grocery, drugstore, etc.) that might be used as a substitute for cleaning film or something to lubricate it. Isopropyl alcohol, I thought was supposedly the kindest solvent-type cleaner even safe enough to use on our skins. Possibly the 91% alcohol with least water (to not affect film). Now we are told that is not good for film?
Not sure, if I read online that someone used johnson's furniture spray to lube the film itself or the projector's film path? How about those lens cleaners made especially for eyeglasses (plastic lens)? I do not know the ingredients, but the lens cleaner also has anti-static/anti-fog properties. I do remember that velveteen fabric is one of the better matierals to wipe the film with. It is not my intention to project film.....for me, it is going straight from camera to computer (film transfer). One should probably experiment on super 8 film scraps so we can see what really works or does not. My 2 cents worth of comments
Not sure, if I read online that someone used johnson's furniture spray to lube the film itself or the projector's film path? How about those lens cleaners made especially for eyeglasses (plastic lens)? I do not know the ingredients, but the lens cleaner also has anti-static/anti-fog properties. I do remember that velveteen fabric is one of the better matierals to wipe the film with. It is not my intention to project film.....for me, it is going straight from camera to computer (film transfer). One should probably experiment on super 8 film scraps so we can see what really works or does not. My 2 cents worth of comments