Stop-Motion with HDV

Post by **tbruegg** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:43 pm

I see Roger Evans has sold around 4000 Workprinter Units up to this date, very impressive! Some of his clients are probably waiting for a software that can handle a stop-motion transfer in HDV.
I dont think its gonna happen.
I've done many tests this year, trying to get higher resolution. Hitachi System Camera, HVX-200, Sony FX1 and every cam and process has a rub in it. So i still do the transfers with the PD150 SD camera.
but back to HDV.
I have DV-Rack 2.0, with the latest update it claims to do Stop-Motion with HDV Cameras and it does, but HD-Rack is only able to take the i-frames from the transport stream! that means 2 Frames per second and it is impossible to trigger unless you slow the WP's down to 1 fps or even slower! If the I-Frame appears when the film is on the move in the gate then you have it smeared since there is only 2-frames it doesent matter when the mousclick comes.
Serious Magic, the makers of HD-Rack say it's not possible to get the P-Frames with Stop Motion. (at least with their application)

Just wanted to share this info so you can leave the 700 bucks in your pocket for HD-Rack unless you want a great capture Program with live vectorscope and Waveform plus other gadgets.

So for all you waiting I think HDMI is the interface to look forward to. some cameras allready have it and there's allready cards for it. Someone tryed allready?

Thomas

Post by **MovieStuff** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:17 pm

tbruegg wrote:I see Roger Evans has sold around 4000 Workprinter Units up to this date, very impressive!

2000 units, not 4000 units. But thanks for the cudos!

tbruegg wrote:Some of his clients are probably waiting for a software that can handle a stop-motion transfer in HDV.

We're working on a possible solution for that now.

Roger

Post by **tbruegg** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:40 pm

2000 units, not 4000 units. But thanks for the cudos!

Sorry Roger, got that wrong. Still a lot

Thomas

Post by **filmamigo** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:18 pm

MovieStuff wrote:
tbruegg wrote:2000 units

Congratulations are in order! Those are fantastic numbers!

I have to say Roger, that I am very impressed by your machines and the folks who are getting the best out of them. For example, Justin, who is delivering lovely images. I recently recommended Justin to a filmmaker who had Spirit DataCine dreams and the budget for an off-the-wall transfer. I saw the finished film projected on DigiBeta on the big screen, and was really impressed.

Best of luck on the HDV software front. I look forward to HDV transfers of 16 and Super 8.

Post by **mattias** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:23 pm

going component or sdi through a black magic card should solve the problem just fine, on a fast enough system. of course then it's not an hdv transfer anymore but you can always recompress for output. ;-)

/matt

Post by **Patrick** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:33 pm

Roger, regarding the difference in aspect ratio between super 8 and the various High Definition formats, I guess there will be a black space on the left and right of the image? To some people, this might look a little odd but I guess it's something we'll all have to get used to when viewing super 8, regular 16mm or old movies in general on widescreen tvs as widescreen television becomes more commonplace. To me, the 'letterbox' format (black on top and bottom) looks more natural and pleasing to the eye.

Post by **tbruegg** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:53 pm

going component or sdi

hehe, yes 10000 Euros for the new jvc gy-hd-251. not to speak of the raid solution and the decklink card. hmmm but it would be neat. Do you know if the capture software that comes with the decklink has a stop-motion feature?

In my eyes DVCPRO-HD is still the best buy for the purpose. the signal is sent through standard 1394, its intra-frame and has a correct color sampling, but the HVX-200 has no auto Shutter, thats why i dont use it.

Thomas

Post by **mattias** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:03 pm

tbruegg wrote:
going component or sdi
hehe, yes 10000 Euros for the new jvc gy-hd-251.

i'm not sure i understand. i've yet to see an hdv cam that didn't have component or sdi (or hdmi). what are you using now? a decklink card isn't very expensive, neither is a simple raid.

/matt

Post by **tbruegg** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:33 pm

hey matt

i get your point. i just did not plan to spend that much money for an SDI cam plus all the gadgets, perhaps i have to get used to the idea of doing so.

Now im still using the sony pd-150 SD camera, 1394 cable with simple Raid0 and 2 Harddrives.

thomas

Post by **VideoFred** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:47 pm

I'm serious thinking about one of these:
http://www.vector-international.be

The BCi5 model would be perfect for me...
The BCi4-6600 model for the HD freaks.

Matt, with your knowledge....
What do you think about these cams?

Fred.

Post by **mattias** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:37 pm

tbruegg wrote:i get your point. i just did not plan to spend that much money for an SDI cam

well, you were obviously planning on spending on one with firewire, so my question still stands, which one was that, that didn't have sdi, component or similar? even low end models like the fx1 and hc1 have it.

/matt

Post by **tbruegg** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:21 pm

so my question still stands, which one was that, that didn't have sdi, component or similar?

like i said i get your point i could go analog with component cable, as far as i know they all have component. the only sdi's i know of are the canon and the jvc gy-hd251. and those two models are some thousand bucks higher than the fx1 and similar.

i would like to use the jvc hd-100 with a nikon adapter and macro lens. then i could get rid of the converter lens.

i have to find someone with a decklink card to test if stop-motion is possible with the card.

Thomas

Post by **cubsfan45** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:27 pm

Cineform offers an interesting codec that is HDV but with an .avi wrapper. I haven't tried it personally, but it might be an option for capturing stop-motion via firewire to their codec.

~Eugene
http://www.filmtransfer.com

Post by **cubsfan45** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:47 pm

Cineform offers an interesting codec that is HDV but with an .avi wrapper. I haven't tried it personally, but it might be an option for capturing stop-motion via firewire to their codec.

~Eugene
http://www.filmtransfer.com

Post by **ccortez** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:57 pm

mattias wrote:
tbruegg wrote:
going component or sdi
hehe, yes 10000 Euros for the new jvc gy-hd-251.
i'm not sure i understand. i've yet to see an hdv cam that didn't have component or sdi (or hdmi). what are you using now? a decklink card isn't very expensive, neither is a simple raid.

/matt

ya, we're planning some experiments with exactly what you describe with the Sony Z1-U: component (or whatever) out to decklink for uncompressed frame-by-frame telecine.

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