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MovieStuff wrote:... we can fit any camera to the Sniper-Pro. We have made units with Sony, Hitachi and Panasonic cameras. Whatever the customer wants.

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Great, build the filmshooting members a sniper pro with a spirit scanner attached to it instead of a hitachi/sony/panasonic camera. That'll shut everyone up.. or will it...

I'm sure we'd just argue about the right name for such a machine...
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Patrick wrote:If I recall, I believe that the Flashscan 8 uses the same Hitachi 3ccd camera as Roger's own Sniper unit so I assume that sharpness and dynamic range at least would be identical with these two transfer units.
No, it doesent. It uses old, used secondhand cameras as standard if I recall correctly. And you can just reag what Mattias wrote about the transportation and so on. :wink:
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MovieStuff wrote:A lot of things....
No Roger, I will not agree with you. I know I am right you know. ;)

And also, no, I don´t base my opinion about negative transfers on anyones ability to transfer negative films. Certainly not my own, since I havce too little experience transferring negative films.

I base my opinion on discussions I had with Kai Gerhardt in MWA Nova (sorry if the spelling is off...). He had a long discussion about negative transfers and such. That is what I base my opinion on.

Just like you try to make the WP look as good and "sellable" as possible, of course they say it can transfer negative films. Because it can. But it is NOT the best machine to be transferring negative films with. ;)

And a WP is NOT in the same league. Trust me, I used both of them. ;)
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Uppsala BildTeknik wrote:
Patrick wrote:If I recall, I believe that the Flashscan 8 uses the same Hitachi 3ccd camera as Roger's own Sniper unit so I assume that sharpness and dynamic range at least would be identical with these two transfer units.
No, it doesent. It uses old, used secondhand cameras as standard if I recall correctly. And you can just reag what Mattias wrote about the transportation and so on. :wink:
We use high-end, pre-owned 700 line Hitachi 3CCD cameras that we bench and recalibrate back to factory specs. The quality if excellent and it saves the customer a ton of money. This is the very same camera that was used for the Sniper-Pro/Rank Turbo comparison done by PC Magazine:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1620686,00.asp

I think the results speak for themselves but anyone that wants to see our demo reel can get one here:

http://www.moviestuff.tv/demo_form.html

Then you can see for yourself what the quality of our units is really like, as opposed to a barrage of secondhand opinions based on nothing but supposition and conjecture. :roll:

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"...do you mean it uses the same light source, the same optics..."

Oops! Well then I guess they may well use different lenses so sharpness may not be the same. Though dynamic range should theoretically be the same, if the same model of Hitachi camera is used.
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Uppsala BildTeknik wrote:
Patrick wrote:If I recall, I believe that the Flashscan 8 uses the same Hitachi 3ccd camera as Roger's own Sniper unit so I assume that sharpness and dynamic range at least would be identical with these two transfer units.
No, it doesent. It uses old, used secondhand cameras as standard if I recall correctly. And you can just reag what Mattias wrote about the transportation and so on. :wink:
Not correct. MWA Nova (Flashscan makers) use the Hitachi HV-D30P cameras. Brand new. Same I use for my Sniper Pro.
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MovieStuff wrote:We use high-end, pre-owned ....
OK, english is not my native language, so excuse me if I misunderstand things...

But isn´t "pre-owned" the same as second hand, used, old, not new? :?
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I think this discussion is starting to become a little heated...
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awand wrote:Not correct. MWA Nova (Flashscan makers) use the Hitachi HV-D30P cameras. Brand new. Same I use for my Sniper Pro.
What? You didn´t read what I wrote? I said uses for his snipers on regular basis.

And didn´t you read about the lightsource and all? :?

weird...
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Uppsala BildTeknik wrote:
awand wrote:Not correct. MWA Nova (Flashscan makers) use the Hitachi HV-D30P cameras. Brand new. Same I use for my Sniper Pro.
What? You didn´t read what I wrote? I said uses for his snipers on regular basis.

And didn´t you read about the lightsource and all? :?

weird...
Ah, damn... I read your reply to Patrick's post and thought you were referring to the Flashscan machines. Sorry about that.
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Uppsala BildTeknik wrote: I base my opinion on discussions I had with Kai Gerhardt in MWA Nova (sorry if the spelling is off...). He had a long discussion about negative transfers and such. That is what I base my opinion on.
Um, okay, whatever. But you don't do the marketing for FlashScan so your opinion really has no relevance. They're the ones that publically say the FlashScan can do negative scanning, despite any private conversations that you may have had with Kai. I am not in any way suggesting that the FlashScan people are being dishonest. On the contrary, my point is that they would not say the FlashScan was capable of doing negative transfers if they did not think it was possible. Just as Mitch and Justin do nice negative work using a video camera, so can the FlashScan, if someone wants to work at it. More importantly, the FlashScan is cheap, compared to a Rank, but, again, I have seen DIY negative transfers that look to the eye as good as things I have seen off a Rank, which IS designed for negative transfers.
Uppsala BildTeknik wrote: Just like you try to make the WP look as good and "sellable" as possible, of course they say it can transfer negative films.
But I don't say my WorkPrinters can do negative, do I? ;)
Uppsala BildTeknik wrote:Because it can. But it is NOT the best machine to be transferring negative films with. ;)
I may agree but that doesn't mean someone, somewhere, can't do quality negative transfers with it.
Uppsala BildTeknik wrote:And a WP is NOT in the same league.
Nor are the prices in the same league, either. But I have seen results that look to the eye just as nice as the FlashScan or Sniper-Pro off of home built DIY units. This isn't an insult to the FlashScan or our units but only shows that if you are copying off of film with a video camera, the basic formula for success doesn't change much from set up to set up.
Uppsala BildTeknik wrote: Trust me, I used both of them. ;)
And you made enough money with your WorkPrinter to purchase a higher-end FlashScan, which I think is great for you. It is a terrific unit. We then rebuilt your WorkPrinter from scratch and you sold it on ebay for more than you paid, so they obviously have some value to the telecine market and it isn't just because of my marketing savvy. It is because they can produce a wonderful image if used correctly. I can remember a really beautiful transfer you did on your WorkPrinter for Mattias a few years back. You were pretty happy with that transfer, I believe, and so was he. In fact, I think you still use a WorkPrinter-16 for your 16mm transfers, don't you?
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MovieStuff wrote:We use high-end, pre-owned ....
OK, english is not my native language, so excuse me if I misunderstand things...

But isn´t "pre-owned" the same as second hand, used, old, not new? :?
Well, "new" is relative. Even when you buy a new car, you can bet it has been driven a number of times. We buy the Hitachi 3CCD cameras as surplus items. Some have never been used and some have been used a bit and some used a lot. We do sort them out. Most of them were employed on in-studio copy stands where they pretty much sat unused or used very little. Since they cannot be outfitted with a record back, they were never taken out in the field so they are clean, have low hours and, usually, a terrific picture. But, most importantly, we chose them because they are infinately repairable with bookshelf circuit boards that allow card extenders for easy servicing and calibration. Compared to the "ball of solder" later versions like the HVC20 or the HV-D30, the older, larger Hitachi cameras are more suited to on-going usage and maintenance.

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Hey Ken, I put my video camera inside a shoebox and then wrote 'Flashscan 8' in big letters on the outside!

<< Quickly ducks out the window....
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Patrick wrote:Hey Ken, I put my video camera inside a shoebox and then wrote 'Flashscan 8' in big letters on the outside!

<< Quickly ducks out the window....
Oh you little...! :evil: :evil: :evil:

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MovieStuff wrote:They're the ones that publically say the FlashScan can do negative scanning, despite any private conversations that you may have had with Kai.
Yes, and it can. But it isn´t the best machine in the world to do negative transfers with. ;)

That is why I reacted in the other thread where someone was promised a rank/spirit/whatever it was-transfer and got a Flashscan treansfer from a negative reel instead. That is just being dishonest. :)

MovieStuff wrote:But I don't say my WorkPrinters can do negative, do I? ;)
Nope, but the guy who told the WP is "better than a rank" does. ;)

MovieStuff wrote:And you made enough money with your WorkPrinter to purchase a higher-end FlashScan
Well, not exactly. I took a big bank loan for it... It is a damn expensive toy. :)


Hey, I am not trying to make war here. I just wanted to set things straight. I saw someone who said that a WP was as good as, or better than, a "rank transfer".

It isn´t true, and I just said how it was.

Then someone said that you use the same camera for your snipers as they do for the Flashscan. It isn´t true, so I just said how it is.

And even if you would use the exact same camera there are other things in the design that are different, lightsource, transportation, and so on.

I just spell it out the way it is. ;)
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