Offer to telecine 50ft 8/s8mm or 100ft 16mm uncompressed HD

[mattias]

IMO 2K HD is too low-res for cinema prints

do you mean 2k or hd? anyway, i tend to agree with you if we're talking prints from academy 35mm, but optical prints from super 35 "scope" or super 16 never looked quite sharp on the big screen either so i doubt 4k would help very much.

/matt

[npcoombs]

IMO 2K HD is too low-res for cinema prints

do you mean 2k or hd?

aren't they baiscally the same resolution?

was refering to HD aquisition actually, that 1080p HD looks to soft and noisy on the big screen.

Super-16mm on the big screen looks bad unless shot outside in a high contrast and bright environment.

I was close to the screen watching History Boys (super-16 Fuji Eterna 500T) and the level of grain and softness really detracted from being able to get past asethetics. That said, no-one else in the cinema seemed to notice.

[mattias]

aren't they baiscally the same resolution?

2k is slightly higher, but it's also 4:4:4 and 16-bit rather than 4:2:2 or 3:1:1 8 or 10 bit.

/matt

[christoph]

aren't they baiscally the same resolution?

well, pixel wise they are pretty similar:
1920x1080 for HD vs 2048x1556 for 2K, so if you have a 1:1.85 aspect ratio then the pixel count would be only about 13% less..

however, 2K files are usually 10bit log RGB files while HD formats are usually 10bit linear 4:2:2, or more often 8bit 4:2:2 compressed 1440x1080 (ie HDCAM etc). which makes a big difference for colors etc..

anyway, a good 2K scan from 35mm (or super16) with a direct print from the intermediate will usually look better than a print made from a second generation internegative.. so 4K wont make much of a difference since in a release print you have only 1.5K left at best anyway.

++ christoph ++

edit: ok, matt can put this in much shorter words than me ;)
most 2K scans are either 10bit log or 16bit linear afaik though. (which means you could label this 8:8:8, like some high end color correction machine put it)
edit no2: ok, we seem to agree on the log thing ;)

[Will2]

I assume we're talking printing back out to 35mm.

Has anyone printed back out to 16mm or would that be just stupid expensive for a print that no theatre would show?

I envision a world in which my HD edited home movies could be printed back out to film with an optical soundtrack... that world may never be affordable however.

[christoph]

Christoph, what do you think from these specs?
And how is color reproduction from these CMOS cams?

oops, didnt see your post fred, sorry...

the specs of both the Red chip and the page you linked look very good, the dynamic range looks very nice.. as far as colors go, i cant say much about that by looking at the specs, this depends really a lot about the software and their color profiles.. but modern CMOS chips can have just as nice colors as CCDs (sony is releasing a 24p CMOS HDV cam similair to the Z1 too)

personally i hope that the red will be able to get near to the quality of a 6 megapixel DSLR from 2 years ago. it's a pitty that the guy who pulls all this has a design complex (and no taste) but as long as the image quality is top i guess i shouldnt complain.

++ chirstoph ++