Wittnerchrome - Cinevia - E64T PROJECTED

[mattias]

- All frames are rock steady
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- Cameras: Canon 1014 and Nikon R10

the canons have always been better than the beaulieus at that. my canon 814 even handled the jittery carts "ok".

/matt

[Angus]

I haven't shot any Cinevia, but it could be that it is marginal as to how well it works. If your camera is even slightly weaker than when new, it could have difficulties.

My trusty Elmo 110 has never let me down whatever stock I've chosen to put through it including jitter-era K40, the neg stocks, 100D, B&W, "quarzchrome", Agfa Moviechrome, RevueChrome, Ekta 160, 7240....those that I can remember.

But other cameras I own have occasionally exhibited jitter...including my lovley Chinon Pacific 200/8XL....which I have somehow mislaid - difficult given the size/weight of the thing....must ask spousal unit if she's hidden it

[Pedro]

defective cinevia cardriges:

I only want to clearify, that I have no doubts that cinevia, when packed correctly in a working cardrige, is a very good stock. I may have got cardriges from a bad batch. They all had been without sealing & paperbox, all together in a plastic bag and with a green round sticker where had been writen by hand "64T")
The 8 carts I got were ALL defective, no doubt.
It is not a question of camera steadyness or any Beaulieu-Canon competition. At the same time, all Kodak cardriges, even the 15 year old black&white ones, showed perfect steadyness on both cameras!

(I only use Beaulieu cameras for a simple reason: about 95..100% of my shots come out in perfect focus, while with split image systems, I only get about 70...80% focalized. That is a personal problem of my eyes which the Beaulieu ground glass viewfinder resolves perfectly.)

Only to repeate: My B4008, which had not any problems with any other cardriges, did not transport the cinevia AT ALL. Only the B9008, that applys more torque to the mechanism to be able to pull the film even from 60 m rolls, only that camera could manage to transport the cinevia.

When I regognized that, I took out the cinevia cardrige and tryed to move the film by hand. Normally, you can pull out film with ease (Kodak), but with cinevia it did not want to come out at all, it sticked. Only after a lot of heavy hits to the desktop, I could manage to pull a few milimeters and then the camera could transport the film again (but not the 4008).

So it is very clear and obvious, it is not a fine - adjustment problem which results in a slight jitter depending on the type of camera, it is a serious defect of the cardrige itself. Just the heavy noise is showing that.

Meanwhile Mr Klose offered to exchange the cardriges.

A Munich film dealer also told me, that his customers had similar expieriences with cinevia.

[aj]

defective cinevia cardriges:

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Only to repeate: My B4008, which had not any problems with any other cardriges, did not transport the cinevia AT ALL. Only the B9008, that applys more torque to the mechanism to be able to pull the film even from 60 m rolls, only that camera could manage to transport the cinevia.

When I regognized that, I took out the cinevia cardrige and tryed to move the film by hand. Normally, you can pull out film with ease (Kodak), but with cinevia it did not want to come out at all, it sticked. Only after a lot of heavy hits to the desktop, I could manage to pull a few milimeters and then the camera could transport the film again (but not the 4008).

So it is very clear and obvious, it is not a fine - adjustment problem which results in a slight jitter depending on the type of camera, it is a serious defect of the cardrige itself. Just the heavy noise is showing that.

Meanwhile Mr Klose offered to exchange the cardriges.

A Munich film dealer also told me, that his customers had similar expieriences with cinevia.

Seems a bit like there is no core ring in the unexposed filmspool in rightside of the cartridge. When I started with Kaccema I had these total lock-ups too. The films tightens itself around the hub in the storage and the camera pulls out the slack and then transport stops completely. Using a ring inside the spool (like Svema refills and Kodak factory cartridges) solved that problem.

But then no camera could pull the film through after the lock-up

It is not theory as Wittner sells these unused Kodak cartridges without the ring. 50cent wholesale at a steep price of Euro 13.

Mr Klose hopefully has a good wholesale price.
http://www.wittner-kinotechnik.de/katal ... _meter.php without the ring... These must be purchased separatedly.

[jpolzfuss]

defective cinevia cardriges

I've heard some rumors that the test-version of the 64t-cinevia didn't get any extra lubrication.
This could explain your problem as well.

Jörg

[avr]

Well i never shot with Cinevia 64T, but I had some problems with reloadable carts with Foma. The trick is very easy, with one hand cartch the cartidge and lock the axis . With the other hand slip the film two frames to the take up reel. The problem will be corrected.

[christoph]

The trick is very easy, with one hand cartch the cartidge and lock the axis . With the other hand slip the film two frames to the take up reel. The problem will be corrected.

had exactly problem and solutionwith vision2 200T, as reported in another thread, but worth repeating here for those with *completely* stuck charts.

++ christoph ++

[aj]

The trick is very easy, with one hand cartch the cartidge and lock the axis . With the other hand slip the film two frames to the take up reel. The problem will be corrected.

had exactly problem and solutionwith vision2 200T, as reported in another thread, but worth repeating here for those with *completely* stuck charts.

++ christoph ++

If it is locked as I describe for the Kaccema there is nothing to pull or slip. I opened the Kaccema in one case and then discovered the problem in detail. The remainder of the film is very tight wound on the hub and one could recover the film only by lifting the spool. No winding off.

Thus: Use a ring on Kaccemas. And others who have only a hub and no reel.

Since cinevia is some sort of homebrew I was just wondering if the ring was left out on some batches. Kodak puts rings in their cartridges. Agfa used one flanged reels and that is why these cartridges are very convenient to use for refilling.