Poll- 100D or 64T?

[reflex]

i'd say it's the stock, but i've only shot one batch. it depends a lot on the scene obviously. i have a feeling it performs better in sunlight and very contrasty artificial light.

Right enough - there's some annoying grain in that shot, all right.

I ran some E-64 through a camera a few weeks ago. It was shot in and around the edge of a forest to see how it would handle shadows, shade and full sunlight. It looks pretty good on my film editor - no obvious dancing blueness, but a small screen can hide all sorts of problems. I haven't projected or transferred it yet - will try to get a Workprinter transfer done in the next few weeks.

[T-Scan]

When you project the 64T, the grain is not as apparent. It is noticably grainier than 100D and 50D, but can also be indistinguishable in certain daylight scenes.

[mattias]

i updated the previous post with another still, daylight exterior this time. here's that frame after i applied blur on the blue layer (helps a lot), degrain and sharpening, plus some color correction.



/matt

[Mogzy]

Any updates from Kodak as to when the corporation will be taking a decision as to Ektachrome 100D and Vision 50D, Mr Pytlak?

Many thanks

[T-Scan]

I have 1 cart of Wittner 100D, 1 of Vel 50D, and some 64T. This week I'm going to shoot some identical shots with all three films in the same camera. The grain issue is obvious, but it will be good to have a comparison of color saturation, detail and sharpness.

[mathis]

I have 1 cart of Wittner 100D, 1 of Vel 50D, and some 64T. This week I'm going to shoot some identical shots with all three films in the same camera. The grain issue is obvious, but it will be good to have a comparison of color saturation, detail and sharpness.

Please tell and post!

[tlatosmd]

Now, while I did vote for 100D, I do think 100D and 64T are both complementarily incompatible in a way. 100D has a compatible speed but is not compatible with the in-built filter situation, while 64T is compatible with the filter issue but has the wrong speed.

John, you said you're evaluating several stocks. What about anything that will work better both in speed and in color temperature with what we have and that will either have less grain than 64T or more speed? Anything like K40, Ektachrome160T, or VNF? Like Agfa's Moviechrome40 or Moviechrome160, like 40ASA Perutz or 40ASA Porst?

That said, I'd be happy if the market situation would allow for two Tungsten reversal stocks again, one being of slow compatible speed, the other of fast compatible speed. On the other hand, Fuji's Single8 model seemed pretty reasonable with a fast Tungsten reversal and a slow daylight reversal stock, while I'm aware the filter design issue certainly sets S8 apart from Single8.

[John_Pytlak]

The higher speed EKTACHROME films (like E160T EPT) are not in the mix of films being evaluated for use in Super-8, due to their granularity:

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professi ... 22.5&lc=en

The EKTACHROME movie films for the VNF-1 process were discontinued over a year ago.

[Mogzy]

100D has a compatible speed but is not compatible with the in-built filter situation, while 64T is compatible with the filter issue but has the wrong speed.

100D is compatible with the built-in filter.The cartridge notch disables it automatically on all cameras.

64T is not compatible with the built in filter as it needs an 85B instead of an 85.

100D is 100% compatible with nearly all cameras. 64T isn't.

[richard p. t.]

100D is compatible with the built-in filter.The cartridge notch disables it automatically on all cameras.

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...but sadly not the lovely Bauer cameras, they don't have a filter notch reader, but rather rely on an external filter switch - thus, the ttl light meter will only work on 40/160 tungsten or daylight stocks.

[Justin Lovell]

is that the same for the "bauer c5 XL?" - it only reads 40/160??

[tlatosmd]

The higher speed EKTACHROME films (like E160T EPT) are not in the mix of films being evaluated for use in Super-8, due to their granularity:

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professi ... 22.5&lc=en

The EKTACHROME movie films for the VNF-1 process were discontinued over a year ago.

John, what I meant was something 'like' those other stocks, not exactly them. I mean a Tungsten reversal stock with more compatible speed and hopefully less (multi-colored or tinted) grain than 64T (though speed could potentially make up for monochrome-appearing grain).

100D is compatible with the built-in filter.The cartridge notch disables it automatically on all cameras.

What I mean is the lack of convenience due to a need for an external filter for Tungsten settings. And didn't people here say that would result in 25ASA or less?

[Mogzy]

100D would rate 25 in tungsten using that filter, but 64T isn't great in existing light. Much better using the negative stocks in tungsten and getting them printed.

The Bauer camera must be one of those few anomalies. Every camera I have ever come across has a notch (some have a notch, a screw and a swtich) which correctly register 100D in a 40/160 only camera.

That camera must be incompatible with 64T as well. Looks like you need a replacement- that isn't very versatile at all!

John, what I meant was something 'like' those other stocks, not exactly them.

Kodak can only draw potential Super 8 stocks from their existing 35mm and 16mm inventory. The costs don't stack up otherwise.

[T-Scan]

The 100D would be an excellent S8 film if Kodak carted it... with grain and colors very similar to the Vel 50D but a full stop faster. I think the best scenario for S8 would be to introduce the 100D and 7201, move the 64T to 16mm and get someone in the US to make use of the S8 neg print stock, so we can project the 50D and make projection use of the tungston negs. that would be the best of all worlds.

[Mogzy]

Keep polling! Kodak are still watching (hopefully!)