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First time on 16mm, first music video!

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First off, I apologise for this uber long first post. Secondly I apologise for anyone who has already seen this on cinematography.com.

Anyway, hope u find it interesting.

Thought I would do a series of posts from the start of production through to the final finished product. Hope you guys find this interesting. I'm only 23 so a great learning curve it has been!!!!


Ok, first post – lets talk about the camera.

I wanted a cheap 16mm camera with a wide angle zoom lens and a budget video tap. They don't really exist - so I made my own.

I bought this k3 of eBay for £120 and fortunately it ran ok. I purchased the lens from some guy in Russia; it’s a 7.5mm – 75mm from a Kinor 16, which is based on a Zeiss model. This lens is amazing; forget your distorted 8mm peleng! I then sent the lens to Olex from http://www.geocities.com/russiancamera/index.htm who set the flange focal distance and modified to fit my bayonet k3. Olex is an extremely helpful, talented and honest man who did a fab job. I also sent the body to him as well. He continued to remove the loop formers, cleaned the ground glass, re set the flange focal distance and gave the whole thing a good polish. The matte box is made by Lee Filters. I modified the inside and also made up some custom-made lens support bars. All filters are placed at the rear of the lens. I also wanted a video tap to make tracking shots easier. A small security camera is connected to a small LCD monitor. Both items run off a special 12volt battery. The screen is only used for framing.

Check out the pics!

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FIRST DAY OF SHOOTING

The first day started badly, I had a blow out on the motorway, front tyre at 70mph. I had to off-load all my kit onto the hard shoulder to get to the spare wheel. This delayed us by an hour.

The location was amazing. We were fiming in the cellars of this great house.
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I used a 4ft 4 bank kino flo for my key. I have never used this light before, but I was amazed with how well it worked
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You can see my handy video assist in action. It worked really well for tracking shots
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The day ran out of time, I under-estimated the amount of time it took to cart all the gear through the house and back. I didn't film all that i wanted to which was a shame, but the day ran pretty smooth. No camera jams, no fuses blown etc

A couple of screen grabs from the day. They are dv compressed.

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Day 2

The second day of shooting went ok. Exterior shots in London. I made some mistakes with not enough fill in places, and once again prob not enough cut aways. I also forgot my ND filters that day, so some shots came back over exposed.

We also did some traking shots from the back of the car which worked very well.

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A small selection of grabs from the second day. They are dv compressed and then jpg compressed - hense the quality.

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Last day of the shoot - night-time!!!!

I was a bit nervous because I was under-exposing by a full stop the whole time. I did think about push processing but was advised not to. Everything came out ok, the stills do look a little grainy - but when in motion look pretty good. It was regualr 16 cropped to 16:9. Stock was vision 2 500 asa. One thing I do love is the mixture of different colour temps!

It was deffinitely fun, shooting out of a car window whilst driving around two birth in the center of brighton. Good times.

I do wish I could have done a better job, but for a first time on 16mm on a russian wind up camera, it's pretty good i guess

A few more grabs for u guys.

The set up

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Cheers - bit long I know - sorry!
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but for a first time on 16mm on a russian wind up camera, it's pretty good i guess
I'd say. Great work.
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Looks great - congratulations - the shots seem to have a greenish hue though??

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"it’s a 7.5mm – 75mm from a Kinor 16, which is based on a Zeiss model. This lens is amazing; forget your distorted 8mm peleng!"

Definitely - I liked the lens so much I bought the Kinor body to go with it ;) I have the 10-100 with the .75x adapter along with a great 6mm prime that is suprisingly minimally distorted.

Your frame grabs look great - did you color correct to get the greenish look or use some of the filters that came with the Kinor lens? If you used the filters I'd be interested in comparing notes - they don't come with any documentation about light loss, etc.
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Post by BigBeaner »

Wow those look amazing so was that Vision2 200t for all of the shoot? I just got my K-3 test footage back myself and the camera works beautifully and now after seeing this I can't wait. Does you camera have a motor? It seems so. Good suggestion with the kinor 16 that meteor lens with the 2 meter for close focuse doesn't do justice, with or without diopter.
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Post by Evan Kubota »

The Kinor 10-100mm only goes to 1.5m, FWIW... not exactly macro but it is a very sharp lens with good range.
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Post by BK »

Nice! Just goes to show that you don't need million dollars or pounds rather worth of equipment to make some good music video. Thanks for sharing your experiences here.

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Yeah it's all been colour corrected with a green hue - i love green!!

The lens focuses down to about 90cm with the adapter. I also have a diopter which can focus down to about 40 cm.

The exterior footage is shot with vision 2 250d, and the night and interior footage was shot with vision 2 500t

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BK wrote:Nice! Just goes to show that you don't need million dollars or pounds rather worth of equipment to make some good music video.
sure, but isn't that common knowledge already? music videos is a realm of filmmaking where small gauges, old cameras and diy solutions have always been used and considered cool.

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Awesome looking set up and great caps! :D The 500T at night looks great! I need to try some of that out. ;)
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Post by paulcotto »

I made a video tap from a tiny security camera and an optical coupler for a microscope. The couplers come up on ebay from time to time. I like your rig! The only thing you could add is a Tobin crystal K3 motor. I got one from Clive on eBay a while ago and installed it myself. Its not too hard of a job, but you have to make your own shaft coupler to go from the motor to the cameras drive gear shaft.

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looks really great....when/where do we get to see the final video??
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damnit, this looks pretty cool. You've got a great attitude as well! Good luck with it.
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Post by stoop »

Ok, well the video is finally online

check it out here http://www.kitashton.com/video.htm

u need quicktime 7

Ok, it's not amazing, there are some obvious bad bits - exposure/sync/lighting etc

But it's not too bad considering it was the first time i have picked up a film camera and shot it on a K3

We also only shot about 22 minutes because of budget

Would be glad to hear your thoughts

Cheers

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Okay now after I'm about halfway done with my own short film using the k-3 I was wondering how much of a pain was it constantly loading those 100 foot spools or did you have a way to make it take a 400 spool?

Also thank your stars you had that motor because 25 second takes have been annoying.

PS. I totally digging the video, the look and feel, the editing. Good Job.
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