Nikon R10 follow focus...

[flatwood]

Jeweler's screwdrivers. Should be long enough to reach gate screws from back. I use a simple cheap file w/sides dremmelled off to avoid filing top/bottom of frame. Go slow and use a little strip of film in gate held up to light to check progress. I take it all the way to the edge, and a milli-tick beyond. Film will not buckle; too small an aperture for buckling.

Checking my PM re: Bolex 150 now...

Mitch

The 150 is boxed up and ready to go out the first of the week. Merry Christmas!!!

Thanks for the tips on enlarging the gate on the Canon 1014e.

And let me get this straight - looking at the gate from the inside of the camera, which side do I file off??? Im thinking its the left but I'm a little turned around right now?

[Mitch Perkins]

Thanks for the tips on enlarging the gate on the Canon 1014e.

And let me get this straight - looking at the gate from the inside of the camera, which side do I file off??? Im thinking its the left but I'm a little turned around right now?

You're turned around just right; it's on the left.

Just remember - *do not* file the side with the slot for the pull-down claw.

Good idea to magnetize the screwdriver; prevents screws from dropping into the gate/elsewhere. Or dip the tip in some contact cement, and allow to tack up. Jeweller's drivers have that knurl on the handle - so you can use your thumb/finger to apply downward pressure on the screwhead, and pliers to rotate. Start with subtle back and forth motion to free up screws.

Most Canons have shims under the gate, might be stuck to it on removal. These shims do not require filing; they're already the right width. Let you know if I think of anything else, or pm me/post here any questions.

Sure am looking forward to that package. Thanks a million!

Mitch

[S8 Booster]

not exactly the ideal cam to ff fit...



and there are way better soloutions anyway.....

s8hôôt

[Alex_W]

i agree with Nigel that the guy probably primarily thinks it makes his camera look cool and professional, but i also agree with someone else who said: you do it because you can. It's an advantage with some shots. I would never spend the money for it though and i also think it looks silly.

[flatwood]

Most Canons have shims under the gate, might be stuck to it on removal. These shims do not require filing; they're already the right width. Let you know if I think of anything else, or pm me/post here any questions.

Thanks for the information about the shims, I almost missed that. Good point.

Ive got one roll of K40 left, I should shoot it up before the weekend gets away, it thaws out and Ive got to get back to my chores which is moving out of here and heading south. I may never see this much snow again - hopefully - so I might as well enjoy it while I can. Yall have a great day, Im off in search of some adventure if I can find it.

[Mitch Perkins]

not exactly the ideal cam to ff fit...


and there are way better soloutions anyway.....

s8hôôt

You mean solutions to the problem of racking focus for certain shots? I'd like to hear them, cuz making a FF is beyond my capabilities, and I can't afford to buy one.

Mitch

[Mitch Perkins]

i agree with Nigel that the guy probably primarily thinks it makes his camera look cool and professional,

True or not, this is not useful information. There is no way to verify what "the guy" thinks, and it's wholly irrelevant to possible apps of FF.

but i also agree with someone else who said: you do it because you can. It's an advantage with some shots.

This is somewhat of a contradiction; if it's useful for some shots, and it is, that's why you do it. "Because you can", simply enables the doing.

It's worth noting here that the purpose of a gokart is experiencing controlled g-force. If one owns a jet engine which is capable of producing greater acceleration than any combustion engine one owns, then mounting the jet is in no way frivolous. The greater perceived frivolity of racing gokarts is a personal issue.

I would never spend the money for it though and i also think it looks silly.

I don't understand the mindset that limits creative potential based on concerns about what people might think of the asthetic appearance of the tools used to achieve said potential.
Do you not think that what's important is what ends up on screen? In that case, what is the value of spending even one nano second on considerations of appearance of the camera/accessories? I see none.

I also don't understand the point of taking the time to post one's personal money-spending habits. Many people would not spend money on a Super 8 camera, or any camera at all. Where is the value in this information? I see only negative value, in that folks new to Super 8 might get the wrong impression wrt the possible applications to Super 8 of gear normally seen on larger fromat cameras.

Mayhap I'm posting to the wrong forum. Is this a kaffeeklatsch devoted to the derision of people based on perceived coolness? Is it only cool to go out with the Super 8 camera and point-and-shoot, with no knowledge of the science of photography?

Smart people are called "brown-nose", "nerd", "geek", etc. How depressing. One seeks solace in the company of people who actually take an interest in things. But the snide self-appointed arbiters of cool are never far behind.

Mitch

[sonyrelic]

Mitch

I think you're wasting your breath, which is fun to do sometimes, but in this situation you're talking to individuals who obviously are very limited in their knowledge of filmmaking, and probably only got involved because it sounded like a cool thing to do. They hit their limit once they learned how to stick a cart in and make a few settings. And instead of being humble and having a good time, they have to be assholes because, like it or not, in their world, they shoot film.

[aj]

obviously are very limited in their knowledge of filmmaking, and probably only got involved because it sounded like a cool thing to do. They hit their limit once they learned how to stick a cart in and make a few settings. And instead of being humble and having a good time, they have to be assholes because, like it or not, in their world, they shoot film.

Says who, and you are a real longtimer? You should have stayed stuck at 11 posts. Check the forum posting guidelines before you contribute anything more.

[sonyrelic]

I didn't know one had to have a large number of posts before one knew what they were talking about. I'll just start posting everyday until I get an acceptable number. Thanks. Hey, I'm up to 13 now.

[etimh]

Who farted?

Tim

[Mitch Perkins]

Who farted?

Tim

Well, we're a long way from discussing apps for S8 camera add-ons...

To the extent this is my doing, I apologise to the gentle reader.

Meanwhile, it would be good for newbies to note that the claims,

"...no point in having them (rods, mattebox, FF), on a Super 8 camera",

and "...stuff that doesn't belong on a Super 8 camera",

remain un-supported by any proof/reasoning whatsoever. This is because these claims are un-supportable BS.

If you want to get some crazy shot, and it requires mounting a chunk of pre-cambrian rock on your cam, do it, and worry not about the sniffling complaints of naysaying morons.

BTW, your question above looks absolutely hilarious beside your avatar. No offense...

Mitch

[Nigel]

I don't thing that a FF will give you any benefit in Super8. Why?? Because of the DOF even at longer lengths...

I don't think it is wise to spend 1500 bucks on a Mattebox and an additional 500 on rods when you can use a screw on filter for Super8.

What are the benefits??

The opportunity cost is just not there in Super8.

My mattebox is great because it will allow me to use filters on every lens I have from Angenieux without internal focus to a big Nikon 400mm.

You just don't encounter that with Super8 cams and especially not an R10 where you aren't changing lenses.

So...Why spend the money, time and effort??

The DOF will still be a mile long and a focus pull will rarely be needed and when it is you can rack by hand because lenses are never that long of a throw on S8 cameras.

Filters can be had for a fraction of the cost of 4X4 or 4X5 and a decent shade is easy enough to get your hands on.

My claims were never unsupported. It started out with the fact that the DOF is deep and a FF isn't needed. Then it morphed into the rest of the stuff.

At one point I was looking at making a rig for my 4008 so that I could use my grads on it and a few other filters I have for my Aaton that I don't have in screw on. Then after much thought it didn't make sense when I can time the sky and add gradation using a power-window in Xfer.

Nope. The ends don't justify the means and I stil think it is all an attempt to turn a great camera(R10) into something you can use as an extension of your ego.

Good Luck

[etimh]

Well, we're a long way from discussing apps for S8 camera add-ons...

To the extent this is my doing, I apologise to the gentle reader.

Oh, I was just trying to lighten the mood--seemed like everyone was getting a bit too serious all of a sudden. I, for one, was enjoying the discussion.

BTW, your question above looks absolutely hilarious beside your avatar. No offense...

No offense taken. Please. I was just waiting for the "He who smell't it, dealt it" jokes.

Tim

[Mitch Perkins]

I don't thing that a FF will give you any benefit in Super8. Why?? Because of the DOF even at longer lengths...

We already agreed that this is a drawback one would seek to work around, not necessarily employ in every case. The lens can be set to create a situation with almost *no* DOF, and this may be highly desirable to the storyteller.
Depending on the complexity of the shot imagined, FF will be useful, or it won't. Why make blanket statements to the effect that FF will *never* be useful?

I don't think it is wise to spend 1500 bucks on a Mattebox and an additional 500 on rods when you can use a screw on filter for Super8.

What are the benefits??

First of all, these prices you've quoted are completely arbitrary. Deals can be had...I made my own rods out of defunct aluminum light-stand round stock...my mattebox was $100 CAD and has seen mucho usage, or you can make your own; the 'fold' is online... there are no limits, except the ones in your mind...
Secondly, "on the day", with eveyone standing around waiting, you may find yourself suddenly unable to screw the damn filters into the lens, forget about it in the extreme cold, and past one threaded filter, you're into vignetting country. Nope, square filters dropped into mattebox tray are in use in large format for a reason, the same reason one would employ them in S8 - ease of use. And hey, what about grads? You're gonna need the tray anyway...

The opportunity cost is just not there in Super8.

My fee for commercials is $600.00 a day. I like to show up prepared for the most possible situations. Is that okay with you?

My mattebox is great because it will allow me to use filters on every lens I have from Angenieux without internal focus to a big Nikon 400mm.

You just don't encounter that with Super8 cams and especially not an R10 where you aren't changing lenses.

Sorry, I don't encounter the need to use different size/type filters? Don't I? You'll have to clarify that one; shooting is shooting, regardless of the format.
In Super 8, changing lenses = changing cameras. A quick-change baseplate/rod etc. system designed to accomodate multiple cameras would be a great tool. I know this from experience because I have one.

So...Why spend the money, time and effort??

Why jump in to deride those who do, with mean-spirited assumptions about their egos? Is it not up to the individual to decide what/how they might want to shoot?

The DOF will still be a mile long and a focus pull will rarely be needed and when it is you can rack by hand because lenses are never that long of a throw on S8 cameras.

Sure they are. Some are quite prohibitively long.
What about a focus puller working in the dark? Do they need clearly visible markings?
How about no focus puller available - would it be nice to have locks on a FF so you don't have to take your eye away from the VF?

And **once again** mile long DOF is a limitation which can be eliminated if the shot calls for it.

Filters can be had for a fraction of the cost of 4X4 or 4X5 and a decent shade is easy enough to get your hands on.

Shades are round, the frame is square.
Shades are not length adjustable.
Shade + filter = vignetting.
A decent mattebox is easy enough to get your hands on.
Rods can be used to support any old thing one can dream up to make a cool shot.
The price of photo gear varies *wildly*.
There are all kinds of square filters out there.

My claims were never unsupported. It started out with the fact that the DOF is deep and a FF isn't needed. Then it morphed into the rest of the stuff.

Your initial claim wrt the use of the rig to boost the owner's ego remains un-supported, un-supportable, mean-spirited, and misleading to the un-initiated. IOW, worse than useless.

4 feet @ 60mm @ 20 feet is a **limitation**. For a walking shot toward camera it's absolutely pathetic. FF makes racking easier, which frees the mind to concentrate on composition, boom dip-ins, whatever.

At one point I was looking at making a rig for my 4008 so that I could use my grads on it and a few other filters I have for my Aaton that I don't have in screw on. Then after much thought it didn't make sense when I can time the sky and add gradation using a power-window in Xfer.

Power window? Time the sky? Why not just use a grad?
Would you appreciate some dink chiming in to insult you for spending big bucks on the technology required to generate power windows? How about if said dink inferred this investment was solely made to boost your manhood?
Is your particular working method a rule for others? Do you have a hat with "method decider" stitched onto it?

Nope. The ends don't justify the means and I stil think it is all an attempt to turn a great camera(R10) into something you can use as an extension of your ego.

You need desperately to understand that you thinking something doesn't make it so. Even if 99 out of 100 shooters use the rig to look cool, this does in no way affect the possible apps of the rig, and it would be a minor tragedy if your negativity shied a newbie away from a small dollar/time investment in tools that might improve their results.

Mitch