Workprinter and High-Definition

[cubsfan45]

I know that advertisements aren't that welcome on this forum but I thought it might interest some that Digital Transfer Systems, Inc. has finalized its development of high-definition film transfer utilizing Workprinter XP units and Canon XL H1's. The capture is done via HD-SDI and creates 440GB per hour of footage. Attached are a few sample frames. Please feel free to send email directly to eugene@filmtransfer.com with any inquiries.


Thanks for your time.

[mattias]

wow, 600x430 is really high definition. almost like dv. amazing. :-)

/matt

[cubsfan45]

Funny, I like your sense of humor. Obviously this was a down-converted still shot. There's an original of the full 1920x1080 - http://www.digitaltransfersystems.net/M ... 0-1080.jpg . Cheers.

[mattias]

thanks. that looks pretty good. any clips? any contemporary material?

/matt

[tlatosmd]

We've just today seen S8 telecined to HDV done in a DYI way: viewtopic.php?t=13006&sid=a7b172e878a6f ... c03d1c1307

Though frankly, I prefer VideoFred's color correction. Especially the first pic you advertize looks like far too much contrast and saturation.

Even before that, we've seen a still from Daniel's HD scan from S8 Vision 200T, and we're waiting for his clips.

So, today's two threads are more evidences opposing those people who don't believe S8 holds up for HD.

[Evan Kubota]

What's the rough pricing? I've been looking for someone with a Workprinter and an HD camera.

[tlatosmd]

Looked at the website and did the math, it's about $4 per minute@18fps for the mere transfer.

[mattias]

tlatosmd, your point is as we all know rarely clear but in this case it's worse than usual. what are you trying to say?

btw fred's transfer is not to hdv and neither is this.

btw2 who on earth ever said that super 8 doesn't "hold up" for hd? you're seeing ghosts.

/matt

[Taqi]

That's a kind of cool picture, in a street photo kind of way. Where is it? Paris, NY, Blackpool or Vegas?

[Davideo]

Glad to see HD capability for the Workprinter. What capture program was used? I use CaptureMate on my Mac and it's not HD capable yet.

[jpolzfuss]

That's a kind of cool picture, in a street photo kind of way. Where is it? Paris, NY, Blackpool or Vegas?

IMHO Paris - most likely taken on a boat since the "statue of liberty" is on an island in the middle of the Seine. (There's a bridge on the pic, too.)

[jpolzfuss]

And frankly, I prefer VideoFred's color correction.

To me the pictures look pretty much uncorrected - which ain't such a bad thing to compare the quality.

[cubsfan45]

We have the capability to output to various 1080i or 720p formats including HDV, D-VHS, WMV9, and uncompressed HD. We do the capture via HD-SDI 4:2:2 with the help of Blackmagic's Decklink capture card. Since we're working with Dodcap, the data that we playback on a 1920x1080 monitor is progressive and can be stored as such on an external hard drive or with the WMV9 codec.

Interest is piquing and we've set the price at $25.00/3" roll for HDV transfers and $30.00/3" roll for uncompressed.

More technical information will be available on the website shortly.

[tlatosmd]

btw fred's transfer is not to hdv and neither is this.

What I mean is that they're 1k scans or bigger.

btw2 who on earth ever said that super 8 doesn't "hold up" for hd? you're seeing ghosts.

Supposing that wasn't meant ironically:

I remain unconvinced that there is great things to be accomplished by an High Definition scan of super 8 over an uncompressed AVI Digital Beta finish for a fellow's short film efforts.

-Resolution tap out at about 650-700 lines, I've seen super 8 test screen and that?s where it?s at.

I'm just pretty skeptical of the 1000+ lines of resolving power statement based on my experience and the data. Does it have 1000+ "scannable lines"? Yeah, to some extent that's a true statement but it's misleading because the edges of each grain can constitute "scannable detail". Given the data, I'd be pleasantly surprised if you passed the 550-600 lines of horizontal resolution mark from the best stock

And size matters. On SD video, the difference between 16 and 35mm is immediately obvious, even if 16 supposedly has 1000 lines of resolution. You can't expect S8 to compete with HD or even SD in resolution.

Didn't i read somewhere on this board that HD was pointless because of the maximum resolution in Super 8? That Digi-Beta was as high as you really needed to go?

I have been arguing that transferring Super 8 to HD is also a waste. I likened it to putting one pound of flour in a ten pound sack - in the end you might have a ten pound sack, but you still only have one pound of flour.

[audadvnc]

What a collection of quotes!

Interestingly, I have seen images of Super 8 blown up to IMAX before. They look like - really big - Super 8 images. With grains the size of Volkswagens. Kinda bumpy ride!