Can it be serviced?

Post by **Juno** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:05 am

tlatosmd wrote:
audadvnc wrote:
I was thinking of getting a Beaulieu 6008 but I hear they break down twice a day.
Uh, huh. Did you read that on the "I hate Beaulieu" forum? It's one of the few Super 8 cameras that still has repair facilities supporting it.
Yes, because they need to. Badly. Seems to be general Beaulieu fate...

Quite right. A good working condition Canon will go significantly longer between servicings than a Beaulieu.

Post by **Nigel** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 7:29 am

"Let it Bleed" by the Stones was better...

I am not going to give in to some losers that came here selling Motown to a bunch of kids as a spring board to their other junk to rule the musical world.

But when are we going to shoot that B&W stuff??

Call me.

Good Luck

Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:39 am

if you want a beaulieu you should look for a proper movie cam like the 3008 or 5008 not the strobe master 4008. the non 4s use a proper motion shutter speed equivalent, and have i ever seen a "sharp" image from a beaulieu posted here? (credit: all reservations for the processes between though) or projected for that matter.

the 5008 MS is rock solid built and when seviced - has a very low noise level. maybe not topping Nizos but a long way there - its a sound cam in a heavy metal box like the R16 for heavans ake.

in terms of cam technology and performance the Canon is in a totaly different league no Beaulieu ever came close to.

may be of interest that the C has a variable shutter: normal = 150Ã‚Â° - option is 220Ã‚Â° (XL) for low light shoot and that it can read up to ISO/ASA800 in auto mode while the Bs liste only do 400 - with mixed accuracy.

best thing about the beaulieus:
all manual settings for ASA/ISO up to 400

worst (1) hopeless internal lightmeter/exposure control
worst (2) idotic (reglatic) external motors making manual zoom n focus (almost) impossible
worst (3) needs servicing once a year.

and dont even think you can switch lenses without colimating each and every one - including the one that comes with you cam - to get things into focus.

personally i love simple manual setting cams whether slr or cine becaus it is very simple but there is no doubt that the canons with the computer controlled AE1 metering / exposure control can take you where no other cam can take you or any "experts" rule of thumb can cope with.

s8hoot fun whatever you decide to go for - in the end it is your capacity which decides the results.

R16:

5008:

s8hoot

Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:43 am

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Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:51 am

Arislan wrote:Mr. Holmes, do you have any experience with utphoto.com? I'd love your deduction on this 8)

unfortunately Dr. Watson ;-) i am located in "the old world" on the other side of the pond so i cant verify it but this company has been mentioned quite a few times on this and other boards and seem to have a good reputation.

i am looking for a broken 1014XLS and after examining it id consider to service them myself as it contains the technology i deal with daily. i have got the (huge) maintenance manual so that is no problem.

s8hoot

Post by **marc** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:00 am

Nigel wrote:"Let it Bleed" by the Stones was better...

Good Luck

Great album!

Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:26 pm

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Post by **tlatosmd** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:52 pm

That's right, the Stones might have released I wanna be your man earlier, but it had originally been written for A hard day's night where it appeared in the way it had been recorded before The Stones had done so. Turning out that The Beatles had actually deduced perfectly what The Stones's style would've been if they had had an original one, based on the old R'n'B standards they'd used to play. Thus, The Stones's style since I wanna be your man actually has been a unique one, but created by The Beatles, matching The Stones perfectly by intuition.

Post by **steve hyde** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 5:23 pm

Nigel wrote:"Let it Bleed" by the Stones was better...

I am not going to give in to some losers that came here selling Motown to a bunch of kids as a spring board to their other junk to rule the musical world.

But when are we going to shoot that B&W stuff??

Call me.

Good Luck

....I see. This is rooted in a Detroit thing. The Beatles...Motown? I have to admit, I never did listed to early Beatles records, but you have to admit, after Sgt. Peppers something incredible happened musically.

Not sure how anyone might not hear that...

I'm doing a low-key shoot this weekend on Sunday in Fremont, but will have track and lighting equipment starting tonight if you guys want to use it for your spot that is fine...(sorry all this should be a PM)

Steve

Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:23 pm

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Post by **matt5791** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:02 pm

I have not used any Canon super8 cameras, however I do own a beaulieu 4008 and I think it is a superb camera, which is also reliable.

Because Beaulieu made super8 cameras that were like scaled down 16mm and 35mm cameras with demountable lenses in a popular mount, ground glass focusing and mirrored shutter, they have always been popular on a professional and small time film maker level.

I think that you have to be careful buying because many have been used heavily because of this fact (and are thus unreliable)

For me the key features such as the mirrored shutter, c-mount lens (together with the ability to use lenses with a proper aperture ring), ground glass focusing, and high frame rate (70fps on 4008) make the 4008, for me, the indisputable first choice.

If I was recording sound I would be tempted towards the 5008.

Matt

Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:01 pm

as a cam concept the 5008 is much better than the 4008 except for the slomo which isnt a big deal for filmmaking anyway.

s8hoot

Post by **matt5791** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:43 am

double post

Post by **matt5791** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:45 am

S8 Booster wrote:as a cam concept the 5008 is much better than the 4008 except for the slomo which isnt a big deal for filmmaking anyway.

s8hoot

One of the most motable advantages of shooting film over video is the ability to vary the frame rate with ease.

It is a huge deal for filmaking.

The 5008 is let down by excessive bulk, chiefly down to the now redundant sound recording function.

Matt

Post by **S8 Booster** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:11 am

much better cam to use except for possibly - home movies.
try one. very silent too.

sound part = 1 wire cut = disabled.

s8hoot