Kodak EXR 50D - The Perfect S8 B&W Filmstock?

Post by **S8 Booster** » Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:57 pm

apart from the colour - easily mended in post nle - this film should have allmost anything a b&w film should/can offer:

"no" grain
hi res
narrower relative latitude due to slower speed.
contrasty?
anything?.

and, since it is a neg it will do fine in tungsten as a b&w target as long as the relative exposure is correct [NO COLOUR CORECTION FILTER!].

faster films may not turn out as contrasty as this one - at least that is what i believe.

anyone checked this out?

dual

Post by **Carlos 8mm** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:12 am

Old Eastman EXR films offers good sharpness.

Once time I did some tests with EXR 200T eliminating the color info via NLE. Really looks sharp, compared to the standard Kodak B&W fims.

Post by **Carlos 8mm** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:16 am

BTW, I was wondering why thereÃ‚Â´s no B&W chromogenic MP films? :?

Post by **Actor** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:17 am

Carlos 8mm wrote:BTW, I was wondering why thereÃ‚Â´s no B&W chromogenic MP films? :?

My guess is it's because all chromogenic films use the C-41 process. (At least the Ilford and Kodak films do and they're the only chromogenic films I know of.) That means special processing which most MP labs are not set up for. Ilford and Kodak don't want to offer a films that labs are not already set up for.

Furthermore the demand for B&W MP film is not very great as is, so Kodak/Ilford probably don't see any point in offering new emulsions.

I personally would like to see more B&W emulsions. Kodak's selection is limited. I'd particularly like to see a faster B&W emulsion, say ASA 400 to 500. Of course, you could push 7222 but you then get constrast issues and (a bigger consideration to me) the labs double the cost of processing to push, making pushed B&W more expensive than color.

BTW, is Ilford out of the MP business? I ordered some Ilford 400 ASA 16mm from the Film Emporium a few years back, got a phone call from them saying they didn't have it even though their web site listed it. They suggested Kodak 7222 as a substitute, claiming "it's the same stuff." Of course it is not the same stuff. I know of no sources for Ilford MP film.

Post by **Carlos 8mm** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:20 am

Actor wrote: BTW, is Ilford out of the MP business? I ordered some Ilford 400 ASA 16mm from the Film Emporium a few years back, got a phone call from them saying they didn't have it even though their web site listed it. They suggested Kodak 7222 as a substitute, claiming "it's the same stuff." Of course it is not the same stuff. I know of no sources for Ilford MP film.

I was checking IlfordÃ‚Â´s web site some day ago, and It seems to be that thereÃ‚Â´s no more MP films...

Post by **Mick Peach** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:59 pm

Hi.
A famous UK Co will sell me 50/125/400 asa unperforated 35mm stock for splitting and perforating.
Problem there smallest order costs circa 14K GBP!
They do not wish me to use there name or brand but you now who they are!!!!
If demand is there I will go ahead.

Regards.
Mick.
Lets call it HEF-Pan 50 asa.

Post by **David M. Leugers** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:26 pm

If you can not project it, it cannot be the PERFECT B+W stock... 8)

David M. Leugers

Post by **S8 Booster** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:15 pm

David M. Leugers wrote:If you can not project it, it cannot be the PERFECT B+W stock... 8)

David M. Leugers

have to agree on that, but it seems that only you, Old Uncle Barry and me on this board project our films so i just thought it may be a good alternative - for them?

most s8 bw clips posted here looks pretty grainy allthough i like the look. also the neg may be simpler to tweak in post for the video guys. possibly bw prints can be made from 50D neg by andec some time in the future.

Post by **kentbulza** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:28 pm

S8 Booster wrote:
David M. Leugers wrote:If you can not project it, it cannot be the PERFECT B+W stock... 8)

David M. Leugers
have to agree on that, but it seems that only you, Old Uncle Barry and me on this board project our films so i just thought it may be a good alternative - for them?

most s8 bw clips posted here looks pretty grainy allthough i likr the look. also the neg may be simpler to tweak in post for the video guys. possoblt bw prints can be made from 50D by andec some time in the future.

Make that four...I'll bet there are more.

Post by **tlatosmd** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:35 pm

I thought at least 50% of members on here are projectionists? I think Angus is another one that comes to mind easily.

Post by **Actor** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:43 pm

I project !!

Post by **David M. Leugers** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:53 am

Great to see others projecting film - that is where film really shines. B+W especially Plus-X looks terrific projected on a 8 ft screen...

David M. Leugers

Post by **sophocle** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:21 am

dr5 will develop any bw stock in S8 cart to a chrome.

I will am waiting for pro8 to finish an order of TMX, and I will have if developed at dr5.

Post by **npcoombs** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:01 pm

s8 does look great projected, but its pretty pointless from a workflow point of view (other than to splice edit to reduce telecine bills)

Post by **Will2** » Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:51 am

Here is some 16mm EXR 50D shot recently in colour & then converted to B&W then a Tri-X frame. Its a different lighting situation so its not a good comparison, but its all I had.

My Telecine person was excited to actually get real B&W film as usually people she deals with shoot color and make it B&W. To me there's a big difference although I can't articulate what it is.

Grain is a big difference and obvious from these stills. But there's something in how B&W handles contrasts that is just beautiful.

Please excuse the soft focus.

Many thanks to tlatosmd for teaching me how to make the images appear.

COLOR 16mm EXR 50D:

B&W (converted) 16mm EXR 50D (not sure why its not loading...):

B&W 7231 16mm Plus-X Negative (filename is wrong; its PLUS-X):