Fuji film in a Kodak cart = Longer load?

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Re: where buy this?

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Anonymous wrote:
S8 Booster wrote:
guest from Japan wrote:check out this Japanese site!
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~s8mmeiga/page021.html
Well, the land of the rising sun!: Fuji Single8 Sound Cartridge with a Canon 1014 XL-S. Actually seen this before but forgot all about it. Do not know if this is the same site where I saw a company modify originally fixed lens S8 cams to accept interchangable professional video cam lenses from Canon & Fuji.

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does somebody knows where we can buy it?
My best suggestion is that you go to that perticular site and look for an e-mail adress and pray.

Alternatively you may send an email to these two companies;


Retro Tsuhan Enterprises
Attn: Takahiko Koyama
4-12-9 Kamezawa
Sumida-Ku Tokyo 130-0014
JAPAN
Tel 03-3829-2776 Fax 03-3829-2780
E-mail Retro8mm@msn.com
http://film.club.ne.jp/

or

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http://cine8-16.vis.ne.jp/
mailto: 8mm@cine.vis.ne.jp

Or sincerely ask our guest from Japan to do the request for you (Recommended if possible)

Whoever you mail add copies of the mag images with your mail.

The upper mag seem to be an Elmo unit as the mike attached is the original 812 / 1012 S-XL mike fixed on to the cart. Might be an original Elmo thing but I do not know.

The Canon 1014 do not accept those carts originally so this one is sawed off (*,) to make it fit. This I could only done if Kodak carts were no more avail and Si8 was.

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Does anybody of you know, how is the design of the mechanics of this single 8 adapter? That would be interesting to know, when thinking about a draft for a open reel adapter for S8 (using Kahl stock on 60 m reels).
I think it would be neccessary, to implement a sprocket that pulls the film out of the adapted cardrige or spool, allowing the tiny claw a free movement without any significant load. So that problem had been resolved in the Beaulieu SuperDrive. But Beaulieu is doing a camera modification, including a second driving real, located in the center of the friction disc. this reel is driving the sprocket with the correct speed, synchronized with the claw.
Not-converted cameras or other 60m cameras don´t have this drive, only the friction. I think, a possibility would be, to connecto a central sprocket to the camera friction, pulling the film out from the adapted cardrige or spool with that sprocket, leading it thru the gate and using a pressure plate, and then, most important, leading it thru the capstan/pitch roller section and then AGAIN going over the sprocket before the take up reel.
Assuming, that the capstan determins the correct film advance speed of any camera, the piece of film between the capstan and the sprocket would limit the turn arounds of the sprocket/friction and make it turn exactly as the capstan is turning, synchronized to the claw.
I think, this had been also the idea of the 60 m Kodak magazine.

So, for a draft spool adapter or Fuji adapter, you would need a camera platine containing a sprocket that connects to the camera friction, a pressure plate and two roller pairs which press the film to the central sprocket, for the pull and the push side. For the take up, a small battery motor would be the most convienient solution. Critical adjustments are the spring pressure of the pressure plate and the take up friction, that must not cause any friction at the pitch roller.

Pedro
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Single 8 std cart info:

http://www.super8.nl/les1.htm

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Long film runs

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If you rant really long film runs buy a Bolex DS8 Rex4 and have a 400' saddle put on!
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I asked the owner of this single 8 adapter to give me more information about how to built this adapter. He will update his homepage with pictures in detail within 2 weeks. To built this adpter, it would cost you about US$80.00.
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thank you for the information... really great to find a nippon who speak english for translation..... :D
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guest from Japan() wrote:I asked the owner of this single 8 adapter to give me more information about how to built this adapter. He will update his homepage with pictures in detail within 2 weeks. To built this adpter, it would cost you about US$80.00.
Thanks, buddy! :D
We appreciate your kindly participation and your useful information. What´s your name, dude?
Join to Us in this Forum!
That Single8-Super 8 adapter will be very useful to Us! \:D/

"Who looks for, finally finds" (Love this phase) :D

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Si8-S8 adapter

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guest from Japan wrote:Check out the new page!!

http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~s8mmeiga/page025.html
Ya-hoo!

It seems easy to build! :D

It could be possibe re-design that baby to load 100-200 ft of Super 8 film.

Sadly that page was whitten in Japanese language.

It could be too much to solicit traslating this page in english?

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using tihs online translation service would be helpful for you guys.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/
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Carlos, you can translate it in a way by pasting the link above into the http box here:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

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Woops - a second? too slow ](*,)

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S8 Booster wrote:Woops - a second? too slow ](*,)
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He he he, :lol:

It´s possible to translate the text of the page but obviously the Japanese texts in the diagrams of the device can´t be translated. ](*,)

Carlos. (Anxious) 8-[
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English Translation of the Adapter Build

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8 millimeter atelier (at present it is attached under construction and there is description additional schedule)

Super 8 - CANON 1014XL-S and 814 XL-S

Guidance of remodeling and Adapter production for single 8 photographing

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At the CANON 1014XL-S super 8 sound cameras, remodeling machines for single 8 filming

Actually it has not done, but Elmo 1012XL-S, the 612XL - S, the sun sewer - 1100

**time-out** Super Tronic, Chinon Pacific 200-8XL, Koshina cPro204xl and 206 such as, 200ft サ

If the camera which can use the cartridge, as for remodeling the camera itself there is no necessity, the adaptor

If only it produces, it is the expectation, which becomes the combined use machine if (there is a fine control mechanism of the EE, easy).

Furthermore if condition is agreeable even with the silent machine, it is thought as possibility.

Material

If the super 8 cartridges (it is possible, sound), the single 8 magazines and the time

り stop, MXL140 timing belt and MXL timing pulley 2, 1,5mm

Aluminum plate, 21mm width aluminum channel, oilless bearing 3 for roller group

6, the flat countersunk head screw of the M3mm, in addition the screw somewhat, the ball bearing 2, gluing

The medicine, the foaming rubber board and the rubber board, the paint of flat black, the both sides adhesive tape, it is thin the

plastic board, synthetic leather for make-up

They are 1 13000 Yen excluding the or more film. Belt and bearing type turn

If obtaining you understand, even with general one it is available at the tool store and the like, but the timing pulley

Because we have become the long cylinder shape, at the lathe to cut off thin, the bearing 挿

Hole processing of entrance because of necessity, belt and bearing 2 and roller 3 et cetera, element

With the person with the difficult part also it supplies. The mail.

(With material, process and postage included possibility of 5 thousand Yen)

Necessary tool

Drill and electric drill or hand drill, the hand saw, file, tap and tap Handle, scissors, exacto cutter, driver set and punch, scriber,

With cheap article of procurement at such as plastic caliper micrometer(Hobby shop)

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The opening was opened on the film case of CANON 814XL-S the place

It cuts with the blade of the hand saw, finishes with the file, but, way the chip does not go in the camera, note

It is necessary.

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When you saw from under (the timing pulley and the belt and the drive transmission section are visible)

The reason where the timing belt and the timing pulley are used drives transmits when it becomes loose a little

There is a place. In the rubber belt and the like burden to put on the axis, power loss and the friction

It is, does not go well.

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For 814 the adapter is seen from the rear. Lower center of cover glass window for retraction verification.

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Yes) pushing the shutter even with the stick, sound of the scratching dropping of the film doing, the perforation You scratch in Shaun and there are times when the nail does not catch, retraction circumstance.














For 1014 belt for adapter drive pulley

As for this adapter, the material of the ムク being something which it starts shaving with the milling cutter, there is no intermediate board, to wind

Structure of the timing pulley and the timing belt of sending and receiving taking understands.

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Pressure plate section

As for the pressure plate section, way the super 8 cartridges and bit of the real thing it is not different, the making ま

It does, but like 1014 the left, as for the board before the pressure plate not being, it operates.

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Side for 814 - driving (inner part) from from pressure plate side

Explanation of function and structure

As for the place where the single 8 magazines above are inserted having become double depending upon the intermediate board, in

The belt and the pulley have entered. And grain side loads the film to the downward look, to pull out

Changing direction to under it is the film with the roller.

As for the film which passed by that roller, through on the pressure plate from outside, furthermore

The sound head under, the pinch roller, to pass by the capstan, the roller of rear side the っ

It enters to the original magazine from the roller under the film on the て.

Because the film itself we have not been cut off, while starting pulling, in order to keep applying, Ro of the entire て

- Ra and the Pressure Plate?ト Et cetera makes one support

Because thickness of the super 8 film cartridges is 24 and 5 mm, the aluminum make of 21 mm width

If in the channel, it glues the aluminum plate of 1 and 5 mm to both sides and is possible the flat countersunk head screw you stop.

(There is also aluminum private adhesive)

The single 8 magazine sections above only one side not to stretch the aluminum plate, in the edge of the channel shade

The gasket of business Hari, the cover is installed with the screw.

As for the intermediate board both sides become the female screw the long hexagon nut and one side where as for the female screw and one side the オネ

Being to be a long hexagonal vault where it becomes G it utilizes. (Akihabara and in addition electricity At part store and the like available)

First going from the part gathering, when you can prepare in general, you measure the size of the film cartridge,

With the ガキ needle drill position, marking-off it increases the external form in the aluminum plate.

The hand saw metallurgy ardently please consume the scissors next. Some external form cutting in large texture, with the file to finish

The げ it increases.

When at the position where you bend, only the edge in the triangle it cuts off to bend be able to do the aluminum channel the ま

Because it does, bending, after taking Bali, it connects with the side plate.

In addition to the aluminum plate, as for the large drill of the drive section and the like, alongside arranging according to inside marking-off the drill

When so you bore the small hole, cut off it is good, probably will be. The finish does which with the file

So, the file several books prepares those which are different.

The assembly of the adapter can use also the adhesive, but as for the paper winding shaft and the roller axis et cetera 3

At the tap of mm the screw is raised, the screw of 3 mm is designated as the axis.

In addition it picks also the cover and stops with the screw of the attachment. Retraction power from the camera is received the part

Disassembling the super 8 cartridges, to cut off the part of the part of that, fairing with the file, use

Business. And through the pulley and the belt, retraction of the single 8 magazines, the around of the film

Cutting off the part where the one for stop is white, you use.

In the timing pulley, cutting the board where the plastic is thin in end prevention of the belt roundly, the ゴ

The adhesive and the like of ム type it stretches.

From the super 8 cartridges, the pressure plate section every that stand the cut-off you use

That as for the installation to the aluminum side plate of the adapter the L section of the aluminum is used.

With the screw you install the L section in the aluminum side plate, stick to that with the both sides tape.

In addition guide idler under single 8 magazines and guide idler of head rear, necessity

And others the guide of side run-out with bore prevention is attached to also the head front.

Well really loading the film, it verified position, it was trouble, and others changing, favorably the time

る thing is verified. The single 8 films are necessary for one for 1 test in this adjustment. What

To rewind also degree with the negative driver, testing travel, after that entering into test photographing the bottom

Occasion.

From the outside of the film the pressure plate, approximately 1, the 5mm the pulling っ the position where it is packed becomes

Please make the way. In addition also the aluminum side plate of counter meeting in the same way as the film, positioning ardently

Because there is a lacking section, it makes similar.

Photographing canceling the #85 orange filter, becomes similar to the exposure which you measured with the other camera

The exposure, turning the exposure fine control dial, please set.

Is or more outline, but it is the entire て of the result we researching. Now when you complete, what

Whether it is with about that suffering hardship, you thought, but whether after all the first time such a ones, they know

It is. We pray the fact that this guidance serves the purpose of everyone, about that without suffering hardship is possible, the ま

It does.

Furthermore as for responsibility when it does not go well pardon you ask. Furthermore opened the opening the camera which

When it breaks down, it is necessary to explain to the repair trader.

Description Matsuda historic times, Yuichi Yao
Paul Cotto

Re: English Translation of the Adapter Build

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I posted the translated text from the Japanese web site with the help of my (Japanese) wife. Bablefish did not understand every word so I edited the text somewhat. I also translated the diagram to english but I dont know how to upload it. if you want it emailed to you send me a request at:

paul.cotto@sbcglobal.net


Regards,
Paul Cotto
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