B&W--The Super 8 Medium of Choice

[Mick Peach]

npcoombs/ccortez>
Isn't Orwo UN54 a fine grained B&W negative stock?
would this be the stock to use?

Regards.
Mick.

[S8 Booster]

filter rules for BW films - thought it might be of interest:

Photo Filters For BW Photography



Fig 1: Additive hue wheel

For the black-and-white photography in connection with color filters it means: The dominating filter color, uninfluenced by the lens, exposes the negative film ( dark ), while the complementary color will be filtered out and leaves the negative film unexposed (light). On the other hand the photo development reverses the black-and-white conditions. As simple mnemonic may be considered:
 
In a black-and-white photo the filter color is given lighter,
the complementary color  against it is given darker.

[ADD:]
a curiosity idea never tested: is it possible to wear some dark/black sunglasses while holding the various filters in front to exmaine the effects?

or even try it in a digital video or still cam put to bw capture using the VF to check it out? (indication - probably poor calibration)

[romeojesus]

I used the new tri-x emulsion in the middle of
this video:

http://www.entourage-business.de/download.html

the new emulsion (7266) has less grain compared to
the old one (7278)

in fact i like it so much..I have 10 carts sitting in the fridge
for the next project which is going to be tri-x only!!

[david]

I found some web space and I'd like to post a short fomapan ds8 clip. only problem I added a non original soundtrack on it. should I leave it, is there any copyright issue?

[Taliesin]

the wmv codec removes grain. one of its biggest flaws in my opinion. black and white super 8 is supposed to be very grainy and so is 16mm. if you don't see any grain in a clip it's because the image has been degraded.

Mattais you are right about the codec to a degree but this roll of film is just not very grainy. I had to look for the edge numbers on the film just to assure myself it was indeed Tri-X. In my AVI file the grain is clearly there and sharp but it's fine and not coarse. I usually overexpose by about 1/2 stop, maybe this helps, or perhaps it's just right-on processing. (http://www.cinelab.com)
The 64t I've shot has far more and coarser grain than this Tri-X.

[Carlos 8mm]

the wmv codec removes grain. one of its biggest flaws in my opinion. black and white super 8 is supposed to be very grainy and so is 16mm. if you don't see any grain in a clip it's because the image has been degraded.

clip look great though.

Yeah, but compression always eliminates the smaller details, as the very little grains in each film frame, but this not always happen with the bigger grains.

If this clip were filmed with the old Tri-X 7278, the big grains of this emulsion could be seen easily than the 7266 ones, which means that the new Tri-X and developing formula offers finer grain than the old 7278.

[Carlos 8mm]

npcoombs/ccortez>
Isn't Orwo UN54 a fine grained B&W negative stock?
would this be the stock to use?

ORWO UN54 (Kahl 21) is a great B&W negative filmstock, fine grained and sharper . It can be exposed and developed as reversal film. Easy to process and cheap.

Check that pics:

http://www.filmshooting.com/scripts/gallery/album12

[david]

I found some web space and I'd like to post a short fomapan ds8 clip. only problem I added a non original soundtrack on it. should I leave it, is there any copyright issue?

any advice? I used the search option and found that, as long as the video is not intended for commercial use, it should be ok to use any track you want. is it true?

[Carlos 8mm]

Some months ago someone in this Forum showed a clip filmed with Fomapan R100. The clips shows a cat playing, sleeping, etc.

Looks pretty nice. Grainy, but with a good contrast.

Maybe was a Monobath´s clip? Not sure. :?

[mattias]

Yeah, but

but what?

/matt

[studiocarter]

Are others moving in a similar direction? Super 8 might be the place where we can reinvigorate the art of black and white cinematography. Or is this just played out for everyone except ME?

All I shoot is B&W. The plan is to have a studio in which film is shot, processed and printed by me, mostly 16mm.

[Actor]

I had to look for the edge numbers on the film just to assure myself it was indeed Tri-X.

Edge numbers on super8 ?

[Actor]

Some months ago someone in this Forum showed a clip filmed with Fomapan R100. The clips shows a cat playing, sleeping, etc.

Looks pretty nice. Grainy, but with a good contrast.

Maybe was a Monobath´s clip? Not sure. :?

They were Jukkasil's clips, I'm certain. I can't find the links though.

[seekaee]

Maybe this should be a topic of itself but, has anyone ever color corrected the new T64 (or in that matter K40) into B&W?

[Evan Kubota]

Yep. The last project I shot on S8 was all on K40 and about 80% was converted to B&W. It gives a nice contrasty image with deep blacks. Good for outdoor stuff.