Who's up for a fight with Kodak?

[sooper8fan]

like i just posted in another thread, M'Lord is all talk, and he's full of crap. One minute he's complaining about posts, the next minute he's saying things are looking better, then giving off an impression that he's too good for this forum. As if we're supposed to be thankful for his presence here. Please.

supermag400_inventor, way to go. Interesting how things can change in one day though. Are you sure you didn't just build us up with the whole "throwing in the towel" routine? Glad to hear everyone is going to live happily ever after. If I had a camera that accepted an external mag, I'd probably buy from you. Best of luck with future sales!

[Patrick]

Congratulations Dave!

[gianni1]

Good news and good vibes from the Kodak Pantheon. Myself I've been watching this thread with interest, because I just bid for and won a eBay Elmo 1012S-XL (£40ish), hoping to use it with the Supermags. If the camera tests out ok, I'll purchase a supermag real soon now, but not (Sorry) join in on tuesday's film rush. What stock are we talking about anyway?



Gianni

[Shion]

Great news, Dave! Good luck with it.

After this initial order, how long will it be before people can order again, given what Kodak said about their machine being out of action for a while?

Also, were they willing to lower prices?

-Bon

[supermag400_inventor]

Kodak said that the machine will be down for at least 10 months. That means this is the only order we will be able to place for a year. However, there is still Andec and Wittner in Germany to get film from.

As I said before, I'm not making a dime from this film deal. It's not in my best interest to do that. The prices are high enough. I just want to supply my customers with products to use. That's all.

Andec and Wittner are both good sources for some film stocks, but their limited in the kinds they have also. Until we can secure this first order and allow Kodak to get the Perforator back on line, we've got to stick to these films. Later, the new 50 D will be available and also the other films they make. It's just a matter of time now.

In closing, I have to say, I was pleasantly surprized by the quick reply from Kodak. Your e-mails helped greatly to move them towards this deal. If we buy enough film from them and keep the supply route open, we'll all have film to burn....OH YA! Also, our next lot, we will be able to get volume discounts to drop the price per foot.

I'm working on the site tonight to get the order page up to speed so you can place your orders. Bare with me...I'll get it done, even if I have to work late into the night.

[Carlos 8mm]

Fuji sells Velvia 50 in 16 mm format only for special orders (In some place of Fuji´s site they say that). But I really don´t know if Velvia 50 reversal MP film is manufactured using a polyerster or acetate base.

I've never seen Velvia 50 in 16mm. Where did you see it. The Los Angeles office says they don't make it.

As I wrote above, I found that info in FujiFilm´s web site some weeks ago.
Very rare, can´t find that info now. :?

[Carlos 8mm]

fuji makes Single8 film whic will fit your mag 100% except for the thickness but that i a minor detail.

Retro should have a perforator machine. Would be great to have Fuji film availeble too for the Supermag!

Will Retro release Velvia 50D in Single 8 mags as I´ve heard?

supermag400_inventor, congratulations!

Something big is happen in the S8 world

Could Fuji emulate the good will of Kodak?

C´mon Fuji, give Us your Velvia 50/100 films... E-6 processing films can expand the demmand of Si8/S8 film worldwide !!!

Wanna lose this chance?

[Alex]

It makes no difference what you think the market price should be, that's what they charge. They set the market prices to begin with. So the price per foot isn't an issue, it's their unwillingness to lower their minimums.

I'm glad Kodak waived the minimum order but the above comment is basically not very well thought out.

Of course the price per foot matters. 35mm film stock sells per foot for near the price of what they're charging you per Super-8 foot. Are you absolutely sure that just to split 35 film into three or four strips pf Super-8 requires that the price be increased 300 to 400 percent?

Do the math, fifty feet of film Super-8 film at 50 cents a foot costs $25.00 dollars. Just what Super-8 film stock do you know of that is currently selling for $25.00 dollars a cartridge, which doesn't even count the 10-25% markup most resellers add! (and remember, your film isn't being loaded into a cartridge).

Maybe it does cost extra to do a "special" run, but I think the Subway sandwhich example works perfectly here as metaphor, if you cut a one foot sandwhich in half, you don't then charge the customer double the cost of a one foot sandwhich just because the 1 foot sandwhich was cut into two six inch subs.

A one foot sandwhich costs 5 bucks, but two 6 inch sandwhiches cut from that one footer costs the customer 10 bucks????

[paulcotto]

When I had the perforating dies made I was quoted $32,000.00 Dollars for a turn key perforator to make DS8 from 35mm by the engineering firm in N.J. I just dont have the money to do it alone so I never went further. If some of you wanted to split the cost I already have the dies. I might even sell them to the right person.

Regards,
Paul Cotto

Pro 8 isn't an option. I will not have anything to do with them.
Phil Vigeant got upset with me because I pointed out he was getting bad press about his buisness.

My only other possible way out of the situation would be to build a splitter/perforator myself, but that would cost a great deal of money also.
Spectra thought of doing that, but they don't have the funds either.

Kodak was approached because they are the best source of film. If it were not for the logistics of this entire deal. It would be possible. But they would need to lower their prices a bit and compromise on the quantitiy. I doubt they will do that without a push from their customer base.

[paulcotto]

Geez, I go out of town for 2 days and the whole world changes! Congratulations on getting the film order approved. I will place an order as soon as you get the order page set up. Please post a link to it here and on the main page if possible.

Regards,
Paul Cotto

[downix]

Hmm, it's an idea, that is for certain.

When I had the perforating dies made I was quoted $32,000.00 Dollars for a turn key perforator to make DS8 from 35mm by the engineering firn in N.J. I just dont have the money to do it alone so I never went further. If some of you wanted to split the cost I already have the dies. I might even sell them to the right person.

Regards,
Paul Cotto

Pro 8 isn't an option. I will not have anything to do with them.
Phil Vigeant got upset with me because I pointed out he was getting bad press about his buisness.

My only other possible way out of the situation would be to build a splitter/perforator myself, but that would cost a great deal of money also.
Spectra thought of doing that, but they don't have the funds either.

Kodak was approached because they are the best source of film. If it were not for the logistics of this entire deal. It would be possible. But they would need to lower their prices a bit and compromise on the quantitiy. I doubt they will do that without a push from their customer base.

[chachi]

Yes, this has me thinking about the whole buying in bulk thing too.. How can it be more then purchasing 8 50ft carts??

For those that want and can shoot 400ft continuously, I can understand the extra cost being beneficial. However, my plan is to bulk load the film into kaccema carts myself. Now that's usually only done in photography to save the user money, but in this case it would cost me $72 more to get a 400ft roll then it would be to buy 8x50ft carts??

(based on $16/50ft cart vs. $200/400ft roll).

Again, I would also understand if it's a type of film not usually purchased in 50ft carts, but from my understanding, the only choices we have are available in 50ft carts anyway..

I don't want to appear negative, but it would seem that it's better to have people believe they are making a $72 contribution to the format by buying 400ft rolls. Perhaps you can offer a supermag rental program to make it more economical???

Still good news no less. Paul, start a paypal fund and I'll donate to it... (for a deal on future purchases of coarse)

[monobath]

Dave, you mentioned in the other thread that the $50K buys you 260 of the 400 foot reels. That's 104,000 feet unless there is a waste allowance. About 50 cents a foot.

The price you are having to pay seems like a retail price, and a high one at that. There will have to be some markup on the film to cover your costs or whoever does the mag reloading and/or respooling. So if your cost for the raw stock alone is 50 cents per foot, what will the SuperMag users have to pay?

[drsanchez]

Perhaps you can offer a supermag rental program to make it more economical?

That's not a bad idea at all. Package it with 5-400ft rolls ready to load in the supermag, mix and match films, make it really convenient to use. It might work if it were local. But if I were renting one for a couple weeks from Phoenix or wherever for, say $100/week plus shipping, I might as well buy one.

It's something that local filmmaking organizations should consider, though.

[matt5791]

Perhaps you can offer a supermag rental program to make it more economical?

That's not a bad idea at all. Package it with 5-400ft rolls ready to load in the supermag, mix and match films, make it really convenient to use. It might work if it were local. But if I were renting one for a couple weeks from Phoenix or wherever for, say $100/week plus shipping, I might as well buy one.

It's something that local filmmaking organizations should consider, though.

Definitely offer a rental package. Definitely definitely, and price it right. I would have thought $50 - $100 a day would be more reasonable, knowing the usual cost of renting camera gear, + you can sell the film on top. make sure you put a margin in though.

Matt