Should films be governmentally funded?

[steve hyde]

Colonization is not a term to be viewed on with distaste.

"Until the lions have their own historians, tales of hunting will always glorify the hunter" ~ African Proverb

[M'Lord]

Certainly, countries which were Colonized by once great powers such as Great Britain and, God help us, France, were all much better off under their just hand and under the rule of a strong Governor..

You can't be serious - about 100,000 Australians were killed in the first 100 years of British colonisation here - and I can tell you the standard of living of the aborigines in pre-contact times was much higher than that of the Britts who colonised them - in terms of quliaty of diet and ratio of work to family time.

History can't be changed and of course there are good and bad outcomes to the whole colonisation process - I wouldn't be here today if it weren't for this colonisation - but it should be viewed in both it's good and bad contexts - and for the generations of Aboriginal Australians who were alive during (and were killed by) this process it was a kind of holocaust.

Scot

In pre-colonization times, your beloved aboriginies ate worms to try and scrounge out a living in the "outback". Today they have a very high standard of living and a class of delusionals such as yourself to try and save them from non-existent evils only brought on by themselves when they don't realize the world is their oyster in these times.

I say, you are the spawn of cast out criminals. Perhaps it is no wonder you hold a still proud but conquered people such as the Aboriginee in such high esteem. At least they have their own standards of Nobility.

I watched that film with American Dennis Hopper in it the other day, funnily enough, based on Australia's national "hero", oh, what's his name, the animalistic man. At any rate, there was a terrific part at the end where the Governor of the the criminal colony caught up with the ruffian and had his scrotum made into a tobacco pouch. :lol: One of the best laughs I've had in some time, I must say.

[Evan Kubota]

Mad Dog Morgan? I bought that for $1 at Wal-Mart. Seriously

[mattias]

You live in complete chaos?
I don't.

welcome, neo, to the real world. the seemingly ordered structure of your life is a simulacrum. come on, you don't even have to read baudrillard or think for yourself, it's enough to watch a pretty good action movie once in a while.

but of course ignorance is bliss, especially in the land of steak, mayo and the best beer around... :-)

/matt

[timdrage]

The 19th and early 20th century created what good we now have. Socialism created all evil which was the scourge of the Earth including the evils of Communism and Nazism.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[M'Lord]

I would put the turning point of Western Civilization at about the end of World War One. After that we have the rise of the Socialists and the rapid decline of the great colonial powers.

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR)
National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi Party)

Socialism is the one great overriding force of evil in the world. Beguiling the naive and causing the ruin of nations and far more death and destruction than any other political system.

[timdrage]

Greenwich 1 day time is evil.
Can you explain the 4 days
rather than the 1 day taught?
If not, you are truely stupid.
To ignore the 4 days, is evil.

[audadvnc]

"I would put the turning point of Western Civilization at about the end of World War One."

I'd move it back 4 years to the beginning of World War I, the end result of 19th Century European political gamesmanship. From then on was disaster.

[tlatosmd]

National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi Party)

'Socialism' meant nothing but welfare for Hitler, used to bedazzle people and, while keeping them entertained, keep them from revolting as they'd done in 1917 and early 1918 due to starving from the Allied food blocking, so they wouldn't care to look closer or would turn a blind eye to his crimes. "November 1918 will never repeat in German history ever again!", is what he used to say. In Mein Kampf, he said this welfare had always been granted by wise nobility to keep their thankful and naive subjects from revolting.

Not only Hitler had been traumatized from the nation-wide strikes of 1917 and early 1918 due to starving, most Nazis thought this starving had been the initial cause for the decay of the old empire and the so-called 'revolution' of November 1918 (while actually, things had been much more complicated, and in reality there's never been any actual revolution in Germany after 1848).

Anyway, sheesh! Whenever you Americans hear 'social' all you think of is Archipel Gulag and the Khmer Rouge, while when we Europeans say 'social', we mean something like welfare and/or ordoliberalism. :?

[mattias]

the socialist movement also brought us workers' and women's rights. it's had more impact on the capitalist world than some people realize. good so, now it's gone, just as many systems before it that didn't "work" but served us on our journey. now let's join forces and fight to get rid of free market capitalism too. it has served us perhaps better than any other system but it still has to go. that's the nature of the world and it's our duty as human beings to fight to make it happen.

/matt

[steve hyde]

the socialist movement also brought us workers' and women's rights. it's had more impact on the capitalist world than some people realize. good so, now it's gone, just as many systems before it that didn't "work" but served us on our journey. now let's join forces and fight to get rid of free market capitalism too. it has served us perhaps better than any other system but it still has to go. that's the nature of the world and it's our duty as human beings to fight to make it happen.

/matt

Well said....The past is not for living in.

[Scotness]

In pre-colonization times, your beloved aboriginies ate worms to try and scrounge out a living in the "outback". Today they have a very high standard of living and a class of delusionals such as yourself to try and save them from non-existent evils only brought on by themselves when they don't realize the world is their oyster in these times.

I say, you are the spawn of cast out criminals. Perhaps it is no wonder you hold a still proud but conquered people such as the Aboriginee in such high esteem. At least they have their own standards of Nobility.

I watched that film with American Dennis Hopper in it the other day, funnily enough, based on Australia's national "hero", oh, what's his name, the animalistic man. At any rate, there was a terrific part at the end where the Governor of the the criminal colony caught up with the ruffian and had his scrotum made into a tobacco pouch. :lol: One of the best laughs I've had in some time, I must say.

Mate you're a complete idiot

a) You have no idea of the rich complexities of Aboriginal cultural (and dietary!) life

b) On the whole they have a hugely lower standard of living than the other Australians now - including chronic health and infant mortality rates

c) Mad Dog Morgan and Ned Kelly were two completely different people - with completely different motivations and actions - and were thought of quite differently both in their own times and now

d) Our convict heritage is part of what makes this country great - it gives us a sense of egalitarianism and skepticism of delusional authority figures

e) I've got way better things to do than argue this over and over - the complete history is there - go and discover it for yourself! Try a few films like Rabbit Proof Fence or Dead Heart - or a book like Blood on the Wattle

Good luck

Scot



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[M'Lord]

I will have a look at your recommendations. For what it is worth, I enjoyed CROCODILE DUNDEE when it came out, but thought a little less of the second one.

[JCook]

This is one thread that I'm glad I didn't start reading from the first post. Where the he-double-candle-sticks is this thread going?

Sheesh

8O

[Actor]

This is one thread that I'm glad I didn't start reading from the first post. Where the he-double-candle-sticks is this thread going?

Sheesh

8O

Well it's gotten so far off topic that I'm surprised that it hasn't been locked already.