Wallmart the Movie! please no flame war..

[Alex]

Both of those entities you mentioned are corporations. Corporations don't have the right to representation or sovereignty... Furthermore, Wal-Mart did not create Rubbermaid.

Well, now we know why there are unions in this country, and why they are essential in some instances to the survival of the community.

It's quite possible that Rubbermaid used the issue of raising prices to Walmart as an excuse to dismantle the plant and sell the intellectual knowlege to China at a handsome profit while destroying the job base in their community, just because they could.

No matter how anti-union one may be, this is a situation where union representation may have helped keep the corporate executives in check, or at the very least, publicized what Walmart and Rubbermaid were up to to a much larger degree than the publicity that actually was generated.

Just because both Walmart and Rubbermaid acted as they did just makes the situation that much more suspicious.

[monobath]

This thread really seems to have taken a downturn into purely speculative silliness. I guess it's done?

[MovieStuff]

This thread really seems to have taken a downturn into purely speculative silliness. I guess it's done?

Maybe. Maybe not..... :lol:

Yeah. I'm bored. Bye.

Roger

[etimh]

If only closed minds came with closed mouths.

Tim

[Alex]

If only closed minds came with closed mouths.

Tim

Awesome retort, and accurate as well.

This thread really seems to have taken a downturn into purely speculative silliness. I guess it's done?

What Tim said.

[Alex]

This thread really seems to have taken a downturn into purely speculative silliness. I guess it's done?

Rather than attempt to take the bat and ball and proclaim your intellectual superiority about the discussion at hand, another approach to consider would be to invite JGrube to add his actual personal experience in the Rubbermaid and Walmart incident as it relates to the latest "speculative silliness" as you call it about unions.

But keep in mind that the previous "speculative silliness" that I offered was wholeheartedly agreed with by JGrube. But rather than acknowledge that previous speculation on my part was quite accurate, you ignore that aspect and attempt to be both revisionist and snide with one cryptic self serving comment.

Go ahead, own the thread, take your bat and ball and show us how above it you are.

[MovieStuff]

another approach to consider would be to invite JGrube to add his actual personal experience in the Rubbermaid and Walmart incident as it relates to the latest "speculative silliness" as you call it about unions.

How is relaying a story that he was told a "personal" experience, Alex? Now that you know the story, can you claim it as a "personal" experience?

But keep in mind that the previous "speculative silliness" that I offered was wholeheartedly agreed with by JGrube.

So what? No offense to JGrube but, really Alex, what difference would it make to the validity of your argument if he had been one of the 1000s that lost their job? He has no more idea what happened in the board rooms of Walmart and Rubbermaid than you do.

If only closed minds came with closed mouths.

Yes, silence is generally needed to hear weak arguments.

Roger

[JGrube]

I swore myself off of this thread, but since my name has come up, I"ll just say this:

I don't claim to know the nature of the decisions made by Rubbermaid or Wal-Mart management. I've just seen a lot of the sentiment that it generates on the ground among real people. It resembles a trend that many people in that region see, there's a lot of "Your factory closed down, my factory closed down too". It creates a perception among a large group of American working people. Certainly this group is not AS large as the group that wants low low prices, but they are there.

Yes, I agree, Wal-Mart is very successful and popular, they have done so legally, they have played the game. Neither they, nor GM, nor Nike, are obligated to do business solely with a few Americn suppliers. That said, they are becoming part of the perceived "sellout" crowd that many Americans in the industrial mid-west are developing a distaste for. THAT's my personal experience. Take what you want from it, I don't want to get any deeper into ethics and capitalism because it can go on forever (at least 9 pages). This is just a perception that I've seen exressed by a LOT of regular old, hard working people. If Wal-Mart feels that this perception is not substantial or a threat to their business, so be it.
I concede, it IS their decision, not mine. I don't neccessarily like everything they do, but that's just my opinion, not law.

Best,

Jason

[Alex]

I swore myself off of this thread, but since my name has come up, I"ll just say this:

I don't claim to know the nature of the decisions made by Rubbermaid or Wal-Mart management. I've just seen a lot of the sentiment that it generates on the ground among real people. It resembles a trend that many people in that region see, there's a lot of "Your factory closed down, my factory closed down too". It creates a perception among a large group of American working people. Certainly this group is not AS large as the group that wants low low prices, but they are there.

Yes, I agree, Wal-Mart is very successful and popular, they have done so legally, they have played the game. Neither they, nor GM, nor Nike, are obligated to do business solely with a few Americn suppliers. That said, they are becoming part of the perceived "sellout" crowd that many Americans in the industrial mid-west are developing a distaste for. THAT's my personal experience. Take what you want from it, I don't want to get any deeper into ethics and capitalism because it can go on forever (at least 9 pages). This is just a perception that I've seen exressed by a LOT of regular old, hard working people. If Wal-Mart feels that this perception is not substantial or a threat to their business, so be it.
I concede, it IS their decision, not mine. I don't neccessarily like everything they do, but that's just my opinion, not law.

Best,

Jason

Jason, the disturbing aspect to this is that Rubbermaid chose to close a plant and then reap backend profits by selling the intellectual knowledge to another country whom the US trade deficit is growing on a daily basis.

Did Rubbermaid employees at that plant have a union, and if so, did the union play a part in this situation?

[audadvnc]

Well, this certainly is a long lived topic. Plenty of material to digest. But this is a filmmaking forum. If you're hot about this, how about shooting a "Why I love/hate Walmart/crabgrass/big business/people who disagree" short and gettin' back to the business at hand?

[JGrube]

Well, this certainly is a long lived topic. Plenty of material to digest. But this is a filmmaking forum. If you're hot about this, how about shooting a "Why I love/hate Walmart/crabgrass/big business/people who disagree" short and gettin' back to the business at hand?

Brother, you said it. A few good documentaries would do more justice to this subject than all of us ever could, looks like some folks have already gotten started. I'm out. Hoooray film!

Geronimooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

Jason

[Alex]

Well, this certainly is a long lived topic. Plenty of material to digest. But this is a filmmaking forum. If you're hot about this, how about shooting a "Why I love/hate Walmart/crabgrass/big business/people who disagree" short and gettin' back to the business at hand?

Because this topic gravitated in this direction when the issue of not having tangible evidence became the primary point by those who were defending Walmart.

So I guess your position is lets define a businesses credibility by whether or not they make us happy, irrespective of how they treat others.

[MovieStuff]

Because this topic gravitated in this direction when the issue of not having tangible evidence became the primary point by those who were defending Walmart.

You really think that counter arguments here were a defense of Walmart? If you do then you are missing the point of this discussion entirely.

Roger

[etimh]

Because this topic gravitated in this direction when the issue of not having tangible evidence became the primary point by those who were defending Walmart.

You really think that counter arguments here were a defense of Walmart? If you do then you are missing the point of this discussion entirely.

Roger

Once again Roger, read Alex's comment carefully and closely. You have such a hard-on for this ridiculous circular debate that you jump into the fray without any understanding of what is being said.

Now try to focus as I explain this to you: Alex was responding to the previous query as to why the thread had gotten so off-base. He answered by pointing out that the primary focus of the discussion had become an absurd one about the presentation of evidence in a debate, having nothing to do with the original examination of Walmart's harmful practices (and those who support these actions by their patronage).

We know you're bored down there with nothing better to do but come up with ways to wiggle out of lost arguments. But why not try getting back into a legitimate discussion as opposed to always attempting to parse and re-word other's comments? That's what's really boring.

Tim

[MovieStuff]

We know you're bored down there with nothing better to do but come up with ways to wiggle out of lost arguments.

The only boredom I endure is waiting for you to actually debate anyone, at all. ;)

Roger